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    Default H2H vs 2HB with Rhubarbs

    Not sure if this is of interest or not, but couldn't find any previous parses so did a couple:

    Buffs: Ruaabri´s Rk 3, Shared Fero Rk 3, Zan Fi, Str/Pred, Terrorpalm Rk 3, Shaman stuff, Chanter haste

    Eye of Twohandblunt (13.6% flurry rate):

    Code:
    /G Combat Dummy Lena in 3691s, 144305k @39096dps --- Zellic 144305k @39096dps (100%)
    /tell Zellic Zellic -vs- Combat Dummy Lena: -- DMG: 144304959 -- DPS: 39096 -- Scaled: 39096 -- Crush: 143866211 -- DirDmg: 438748 -- Non-crit rate: 76,7% -- crit rate: 23,3% -- Attempts: 19300 -- Hits: 15491 -- Missed: 3809 -- Accuracy: 80,3% -- Avg Hit: 9315 -- Max hit: 24123 -- DMG to PC: 0
    RTK/CK (9.6% flurry rate):

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    /G Combat Dummy Lena in 3622s, 138708k @38296dps --- Zellic 138708k @38296dps (99,99%)
    /tell Zellic Zellic -vs- Combat Dummy Lena: -- DMG: 138708261 -- DPS: 38296 -- Scaled: 38296 -- Punch: 138342729 -- DirDmg: 365532 -- Non-crit rate: 76,1% -- crit rate: 23,9% -- Attempts: 34390 -- Hits: 27639 -- Missed: 6751 -- Accuracy: 80,4% -- Avg Hit: 5018 -- Max hit: 12781 -- DMG to PC: 0
    Below same parses minus Ruaabris Fury:

    Eye of Twohandblunt (10.3% flurries):
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    /G Combat Dummy Lena in 3614s, 121587k @33643dps --- Zellic 121587k @33643dps (100%)
    RTK/CK (7.2% flurries):
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    /G Combat Dummy Lena in 3616s, 123461k @34143dps --- Zellic 123461k @34143dps (99,99%)
    Edit: And by flurry rate i simply mean flurries/hit attempts made, nothing else.
    Last edited by cellic; 04-28-2014 at 11:01 AM.

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    Great info, thanks for sharing! Did you have dmg augs in the weapons? 10s/16?

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    Yep, 10/16

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    I thought I would do an additional 2hb parse and post it here. It seems clear that 2hb as straight DPS is more viable and that tanking with 2hb anecdotally is dramatically better (not parsed this). The H2H parse is with the same buffs with the exception of the OH proc.

    Str 1475/Hstr 418
    Dex 1434/HDex 408
    Atk 5260
    Using Eye of Lxavom w/ 16dmg aug
    No spell based proc buff used
    No beastlord buffs and no bard buffs
    Using standard raid buffs for sham, enchanter and ranger (all rk3)
    Ancestral Memories III 16% Over haste (so 216% Haste showing)
    Terror Palm used
    I have Sacred Prayer Shawl of the Duke, so the Brell’s Power did proc
    *** Using Cultural with 6 cleave augs*** 6 @32 cleave for 192Cleave
    My magelo link is up to date
    /tell Rten Rten -vs- Combat Dummy Geza: -- DMG: 260530244 -- DPS: 34756 -- Scaled: 34756 -- Crush: 259632953 -- DirDmg: 897291 -- Non-crit rate: 76% -- crit rate: 24% -- Hits: 29334 -- Avg Hit: 8881 -- Max hit: 23633 -- 30.2 Flurries per minute -- Total time 7496 Sec

    H2H Parse (Possessed Dreadstone Kata and Thox Tatrua both with 10dmg augs)
    Str 1477/Hstr 420
    Dex 1435/HDex 409
    Atk 5262
    OH Proc 25% (225% haste showing)
    /tell Rten Rten -vs- Combat Dummy Geza: -- DMG: 174464316 -- DPS: 38675 -- Scaled: 38675 -- Punch: 173779796 -- DirDmg: 684520 -- Non-crit rate: 76.3% -- crit rate: 23.7% -- Hits: 36038 -- Avg Hit: 4841 -- Max hit: 12501 -- 41.6 Flurries per minute -- Total Time 4511 Sec


    Ok now I am not as sold on 2hb... the h2h total dps seems higher enough to warrant using it even without having a t4 weapon! But clearly when tanking, 2hb is better for me.

    Ran another parse but keeping the 25% OH everything else is the same from the 2hb Above
    /tell Rten Rten -vs- Combat Dummy Geza: -- DMG: 221444400 -- DPS: 36458 -- Scaled: 36458 -- Crush: 220729098 -- DirDmg: 715302 -- Non-crit rate: 76.2% -- crit rate: 23.8% -- Hits: 24951 -- Avg Hit: 8875 -- Max hit: 23633 -- 31.4 Flurries per Minute -- Total Time 6074 Sec

    Which cements that even with a bard to get 25% OH, the H2H still seems to be better. And I do not think it is a stretch to say that with a T4 weapon there will be an even simpler decision to use H2h.

    My 2 cents!


    Cellic how did you calculate your Flurry Rate %?
    Last edited by Rten; 05-16-2014 at 04:50 PM.
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    Flurry mods are what make the 2HB pull ahead. Overhaste affects the 2 weapon types equally, but only your main hand flurries. That's why I choose the 2H with a bard generally and h2h otherwise.

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    Yes, the parses I did was specifically to show the difference flurry mods have on 2h vs 1h DPS.

    As for Flurry Rate %, I just divided number of flurries with number of hit attempts, so its not an accurate depicition of how often we flurry per swing in any way, I mainly added it in to show the relative increase Ruaabris has on flurry rate.

    I'm still sort of on the fence when it comes to H2H vs 2HB on raids. During trash I tend to lean towards 2HB since it helps if (when) I get aggro on trash. On burns I tend to use 2-hander during Palm/DF burn.

    2-handers gain more from DF as well than 1-handers, but I don't think it's parsable since I believe DF still drops even with buff timers frozen in guild hall.

    On a side note, I've done a few burns now since I got back, and I never seem to reach particularly impressive numbers during heel. Either I'm just very unlucky or Palm/DF is still just way stronger than heel. Or it's because I'm almost always grouped with BST and bard on raids.

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    That makes sense in terms of the flurry rate and the benefit to the 2hb hits. I think overall 2hb is pretty reasonable and when tanking and getting the riposte benefit added in as well it is probably clearly better. I think that I personally will end up taking from this is that I need to use H2H on raids. I routinely get a sham and a beast on raids, but bards seem to be silly scarce for my groups! And while there are probably certain specific times with mgb or beast buffs that 2hb will slightly outperform H2H, but that overall the numbers lean too heavily without a bard towards making my 2hb situational only.
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