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    Default Re: Lull change = Enc or Cle Puller?

    I've seen Clerics and Enchanters use those spells in certain situations, and they are very nice.



    But those spells take mana (obviously), and spent mana on lulling is lost mana on c-heals and slows.



    So it's still more efficient for a tank to pull.



    Safer too, considering the way PoP mobs hit. Cleric or enchanter dies on a pull, and your hunt could be over quickly.


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    Enchanter pacifying is huge. It makes pulls safer and much faster. The usefulness of a monk pulling has gone way down in PoP.


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    I haven't had anything aggro on me from casting Pacification yet. I've had a few mobs that "seem unaffected". Interestingly enough, the spell doesn't even cast on these mobs. It's not like I get a "cannot be Lulled" message when the spell ends, but rather, the casting bar never comes up and my icons ungrey right away. It seems pretty reliable.



    I used to pull back in Seb when I was high enough to get singles. It was very efficient because I could leave a mob parked in camp mezd while I went out to pull more and keep all the melees dealing DPS literally non-stop. I haven't tried to pull for a group in PoP, but with Lull taking the place of high-level aggro rules, it's concievable. The next time I have a shaman in the group, I think I'll try it.




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    Default Lull change = Enc or Cle Puller?

    I heard that new Lull(Enc Cle spells Wake of Tranquility and Pacification,please check Lucy) became very useful,

    Monk is not a raid puller now!?


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    There's a couple of threads around, generally discreetly, stating that the pacification lines are extremely usable and quite safe. And remember the person who pacifies doesn't have to be the one pulling. I would think you'd need good crowd control in case something does go wrong though.



    Personally i'm delighted. Feign splitting was slow, tedious and dangerous work which most groups didn't value. It brought down the XP rate a lot. So I have no problem at all with the chanter or bard doing the pulling. I have come to terms with my rogue-lite status.



    That said raid mobs will probably still be feign pulled on occasion. I think there are level limits on what pacify can handle.




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    level 65 enc I group with often uses pacify to pull instead of wasting time and having me (try to) split, ie the lvl 65 guardians in PoN.


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    I was pleasantly surprised that a cleric friend of mine Wot all mobs in The Deep. We didn't have a single pull over a single mob. made for a pleasant shard farm sans mezzer.


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    i have never been in a group that feign pulled for xp, its just too slow. either pull em and mezz em, sneak em single, or lull em, whatever. feigning em apart isnt time efficient. that being said, id rather that the puller had the option to feign if he was going to get too many. which has always been the real power of a monk puller for xp groups in my mind. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/pimp.gif ALT=":hat">


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    Default Re: Lull change = Enc or Cle Puller?

    only time i ever use pacification (65 cleric) is if i'm in an exp group and we want to split stuff easily. i run up, pacify the mobs, then let the normal puller continue. it's too much work and time spent for me to pull every time (and besides, the monks seem to like to pull)



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    I've used a cleric lull as a standard pull tactic on Lord Dojo for a while now. We clear everything but the 2 mobs next to him, have cleric come up with me and lull them, then I pull Dojo. Always a single pull, very easy to do that way. We do this sometimes for other named types, not a normal type pull though.



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    Monks can work fairly well with AE pacification on a multi group raid. Monk pulls a large pack of mobs to point A, where a cleric/chanter AE lulls the pack. Tagger (can be cleric, enc, or whoever) can then pick one two three or however many you want out. Monk stays down until more mobs are required <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)">



    A major difference I've found between the cleric lull and old style harmony, is the ability to pull through lulled mobs without chain aggro.



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    its all nice til lull gets resisted = aggro and then theres no feign death for the chanter to get away with it....




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    <blockquote>Quote:<hr>its all nice til lull gets resisted = aggro and then theres no feign death for the chanter to get away with it....<hr></blockquote>There's two levels of resists. The first resists the lull. The second is where the mob agros or not. A chanter with high CHA (as most should have) will have very very few resists that agro. Even then, it's likely that a few near mobs have already been lulled, so the agro at that time will be few extra mobs. I must have seen it cast over a hundred times, never seen a mob agro from a resist.



    I believe that it doesn't work at all in CT though.


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    I use pac all the time and my cha is 280, and yes I get resists and every once in a while a train.


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    How often would you say you draw agro on pacify? Less than 1%?



    I would argue that the agro rate of pacify is much lower than the rate of failing a feign. Failed feigns often kill me. Agro on pacify would probably kill an enchanter less than I get killed pulling.


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    harmony is flagged to not work in CC, so i assume all lull spells will not work.


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    Depends where I am, until I learn a zone, lull can kill me a lot of times. All mobs need to be lulled even the ones you can not see around a corner, plus pets do not like lull casted on there masters. Right now I find BOT very buggy, and more then once I had mobs pop on me as I was trying to lull other mobs.


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    <blockquote>Quote:<hr>harmony is flagged to not work in CC, so i assume all lull spells will not work. <hr></blockquote>



    Harmony and Harmony of Nature are outdoor spells only.


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    Thank you very much for reply,

    New lull was good thing for us(monk) too,you were right


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    /shrug i don;t know wat it is paladins get but we have a paladin pull for us in some of the PoP zone now caus ehe has it and it wokrs well, forgot name of spell


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    Default Re: Lull change = Enc or Cle Puller?

    pacification and harmony are good spells and dont hurt monks. i usually like to have the ranger or cleric etc cast their spell and let me as monk aggro, in case there is one in the wall they didnt see or it fails etc. that way you can feign a train. its great, and faster then spliting, so that means faster xp. as far as not needing monks, try pulling to tallon or vallon with pacify or harmony. you cant, as there are yellow and red cons in the way. i am sure as we move up the pop tiers you will get into situations where pacify(65 and below) will not be useful and it will be back to the monk splits. its fun for the other classes to get a chance to help on the pulls as well, instead of sitting in the camp wondering what the rooms look like and when the mob will come.



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    It's not practical for a Luller split anymore than it is to Feign split. Sure, Lull is quicker, but it's all the same in the end. Anyone who pulls for xp groups where lull is needed, these is generally "camp" quality spots, since camps where you pull roamers, like certian plaves in PoV for example, lull is useless.



    Anyway, for camp quality spots, lull is only useful for the first round of pulls. After that if your group can't keep on tract with mob spawn, then you should be there. A lull shouldn't be required agian agian for the remainder of the xp session, barring any kind or whipe out or something. Being such, the extra 20 seconds it takes to feign split, is hardly a factor. I still don't know a group who'd rather a low hp, easily killable caster to pull over a tank with more mitigation and hp, or a monk with more avoidance and FD capability.


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    One good place to use pacification, crypt guardians on the way to AL ;-)


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    We used pacification on Eashen of the Sky guards, Eashen then came solo didnt even need a monk to pull.




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    When in Ssra if there's a cleric in the group I just sit my ass down and let him pull.. Singles all night long with no wait for splitting ect. Spell given by the people that said, "FD is not being used as it was intended to be. The way it's being used now is trivializing encounters by allowing the monk to split the mobs and bring them one by one." Yeah, I'm bitter... How'd you guess?






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    For exp group I pull all the time it just fast I pacify if need then I tash run back to group mez debuff blur and go pull next one. No down time just kill one after the other. For minor raids with lots of mobs around the mob we want I will go out monk will tell me what he wants pacify I will do it and then let him pull to keep me off rampage and encase soemthing adds that we didnt see he can fd and I can pacify add and he can continue pull after it resets. Sure a lot place you dont have to have a monk pull, but it still a lot better to work hand in hand with the monk to make it more affect for pulling.



    ps not sure pacify works on crypt guardians any more could be wrong.


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    I didnt read every thread here as its rather long already... But dont rule out Bards lull songs. Recently my GF picked up the 62 lull spell and we had a chance to use it on 60+ spiders (consorts?) in PoN which are normaly a pain to split... Instead, she lulls one, backs off to the group, I grab the other... Bam, insta split with no risk at all! And when lull wears off the other mob, it doesnt come running until I go pull it. Only problem is the range is somewhat limiting on mobs with "huge" aggro radius and hidden/unexpected mobs. This free's up the enchanter and cleric to doing their normal raid jobs and if a bard dies, its not a major event... (The raids only enchanter dies and you get adds, your fubar'd unless your bard can mez em.)


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    The mana cost of those spells is really trivial and it'll usually speed up most camp breaks over using a monk/sk to fd split. On the other hand, it is more risky given it can be resisted (although, it rarely is).



    I've had Harmony of Nature resisted about 3 times I think....that hurts.


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    Chanter pacify is big. That and bards lull whatever it called.



    Why these 2 classes over clerics, rangers, and druids doing their versions?



    Charisma!!!!



    Bards and chanters have decent if not out right rediculous charisma values. Alot are over 200 and some over 255. Now compare that to your cleric/druid/ranger and you see what I mean. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/laugh.gif ALT=":lol">



    If the spell is resisted which does seem to happen often, then the only chance you have a avoiding a train is your charisma score. And only bards and chanters if anyone ever worked on getting their charisma up. As they were the CC classes (necros too - but never heard of necs raising charisma before <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/tongue.gif ALT=":p"> ).



    So while this is a nice tool it is very situational. I prefer seeing it used on the spawns first. Then have a FD puller do the pulls. Much safer that way. I only saw a chanter/bard get chaced once or twice from failing the charisma check if the spell/song was resisted. And they had a nice big train pour out after them as they ate the death.


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    Pacification is quite nice for breaking up tightly backed mobs.



    I will Pacify with my Cleric, then pull with my Monk. Very handy combo. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif ALT=":D">



    Resists... I'd say 5% (or 1 out of 20). 80% (4 out of 5) of the time, the resist ends in aggro... however, with the above information about charisma, that explains alot, as my Clerics Charisma is about 105ish.



    For me atleast, Pacification = faster pulls = more xp.


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    Pacification caps at 65, the spell just below that in the cleric line caps at 60.


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