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    Can anyone tell me a good source for things like PoP trial info and the links between the planes?



    If possible could you tell me which trials I could take part in without a raiding guild.



    I am a casual player but have fairly decent buyable gear on me, epic/tstaff/Cof/fungi/ AC 1130 2550hps unbuffed



    Ideally I want to try for that PoS 41 haste belt so I can sell my CoF towards buying a staff of flowing water, when they emerge on my server.



    Thanks for any help in advance



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    <blockquote>Quote:<hr>Can anyone tell me a good source for things like PoP trial info and the links between the planes?<hr></blockquote>



    There have been assorted posts here and the Safehouse discussing the trials in detail. Unfortunately I can't point to a good definitive one but a little use of Search should find them easily enough.



    <blockquote>Quote:<hr>If possible could you tell me which trials I could take part in without a raiding guild.<hr></blockquote>



    All of them. All the trials are for a single group only. A raiding guild, or indeed, any guild, is not required.












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    The key to beating the trials is just having a well balanced group. Granted that can be hard with pickups, but you certainly dont need to be uber to beat them.


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    you need a group of players that know how to play their classes well. Also, I played the leader in most of my groups, it is very hard failing a couple times and people leaving all the time. I got lucky and had everyone know how to play well. Failed twice with the group, tweaked it, tried again and successed. The key is balancing agro control and dps. Without these two, you will fail.


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    A good sugestion is to buy a couple Star Rubies and entice a Druid or Mage to help out. A really good druid or mage can really make the difference in Execution (which is the trial I'd say is the easiest).



    Then it's all about balance. You need a tank worth their salt to tank the last guy. Also, your casters should have horses (this is my oppinion) so that they don't have to sit to med.



    Then just dump DPS and a cleric into the team and go for it )




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    Very good setup i used several times is



    Monk tank - needs some hps/ac obviously. I did it easy at 5700 hps/1400 ac

    Druid - heals and nukes, they can banish too

    Bard - speed, slow

    rogue - damage

    Mage - pet, nukes, banish



    last spot can be virtually anyone if the above 5 know what they are doing.



    Another way to do it is using an ae group ; those groups kill so fast that there is actually some serious med time in between waves.






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    Faranor, at 5700 hp's and 1400 AC, you ain't casual bud. You uba <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)">


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    Good point. I'm not that nasty yet. Raid buffed I'm at about 4500 hps and 1200 ac. I'm not 60 yet either so things will change by then. What about a mixture of your suggestions?



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    Druid (Healer) Banish like you said and nuke

    Rogue (Damage)

    Mage (AE)

    Enchanter (Slower) AE mez then slow and haste



    I was grouped in PoN the other night pulling Steeds and Guardians. Group wasn't the best DPS but we worked really well together and nothing was hard for us to kill. I should have suggested trying the trials but didn't think of it till now. Just for my own knowledge, what does the final mob hit for and how fast? Trying to figure out what is needed to tank him with only a druid healer.



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    The easiest way to set up a trial to drag one person thought is cleric, enchanter, 2 wizards, one Tank plus anyone.



    The five main classes need to have good gear and the right amount of AA points. Just tell the 6 person to sit in corner.


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    benzai umm 5700 is average for an above average monk





    i'm at 5973hp right now fully buffed



    arlos from LoS is over 7200 buffed <--this is where most tier 1 raid monks are around now



    most tier 1 raid warriors are at 9000+hp


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    I consider myself more of a casual player (very light raiding guild), and I hit only just over 5k buffed. My ac takes a big hit too from favoring hp gear, and probably looks bad compartively to iksars (about 1080 ac only with buffs). Unless I had a high level cleric backing me, I don't think a trial with a bunch of pickups would have me work as a main tank, but you never know? :P


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    For executioner trial. I started with pick up group, lvl61 warrior, me (lvl60 monk) and lvl61 Wizard. So we were missing few more so I asked my guild and I got Enchanter and Magician and Cleric showed up. All three got the flag already so they knew what they were doing. It went very smooth.



    I recommend to get Tank, you, enchanter, cleric, magician and wizard. Very fast kill.


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    Ive only done this train, so i can't speak of the others but you need sustained DPS to win.



    There is 4 waves or 4 mobs, and a final boss dude at the end. In each wave you must have a mob die within 30 secs or you fail so using assist is a MUST. Time is not combined (if you kill one in 25 secs, you dont get 35 secs the next round) so you have to be on the ball.



    There are 2 basic types of mobs, the lizard muntant types and rocks, aswell as named types of each. It's completly random what type pops, sometimes u get lucky, othertimes you'll get multi named.



    They will cast AE slow (i dont remember what type does though) so you will need to ensure you are able to cure it or you will fail. Typically, there is 2 routes to follow depending if you have a chanter or shammie in the grp. If you have a chanter, mez mobs with a low mana mez (they have pretty low MR) and dont worry about slowing anything except named. While with a shammie, just slow mobs fast, and tank park them. The damage output once slowed is pretty poor, but getitng a high-lev damage shield prior to going in helps a heap.



    You can banish rocks (magi/druid), so if you have a banish class in the grp, kill the rocks last. When the dude wakes onto the stage, he says a line to the prisoner, and think of that as your 10 sec warning. Unless the current mob is about to die, then is the time to banish a mob and buy yourself some time. If you dont have a banish class, kill rocks first as they are easiest.



    Ive completed this trial twice, but failed more times than i can remember <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/frown.gif ALT=":("> First time it was with 61 61 monk, 60 rogue, 61 warrior, 61 chanter and 60 cleric. Second time it was 65 61 wiz, 63 rogue, 65 war, 65 clr and a 63 chanter. It's also a good idea for casters to get a rod from a magi, as you do have time to get 2 hits and you will be oom.



    MT will need to keep disc for the final boss, and use defensive disc, while damage dealers can use their disc at any time during the rounds to ensure success. Casters dont hold back on mana during the rounds, there is no time limit for the final dude so u can med during the final battle aslong as it gets slowed and the cleric has mana.



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    If you were truly casual, I would say forget about the trials, but it is obvious that you aren't. However, for a high level monk who is guildless, getting through trials can be a pain, simply because all he has to contribute is DPS and other classes can be used to better effect in a pick-up group.



    If you get into a trial group, you will likely be the number 6 guy that they just use to fill in because they can't get a wizard or rogue or something along those lines. More than likely, most of the people in that group will be in the same guild and they will just invite you along because they are desperate to get a 6th man. I am not trying to insult you. You are more "uber" than I am. However, for most (possibly all) trials, the ability to FD or split stuff is not useful. Other than DPS, you have nothing to offer the group as a monk and monks are not the highest DPS in the game.



    Beware of the easy to get into, low-level, amateur groups. Typically they will suggest doing an alternate trial besides execution. Almost without exception, they are trying it for the very first time because they read some guide on the internet that tells how to do it.



    If you have friends in a guild, try to wrangle a group with their guild.


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    I beat it with a warrior as a tank but need to get my cleric through....think a monk with 5400 hps 1250 ac will suffice vs the big man?


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    Small correction Len, I'm at just over 7400 raid buffed. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)">



    Anyway, one nice trick to exe trial, if you have a tank that can take the pounding, is don't slow or mez anything. Just load up the main tank with as much damage shield as you can, and let the mobs beat the hell out of him. That way, by the time you get to the 3rd or 4th mob in a wave, it's already mostly dead just due to DS damage. Casters can help keep the mobs on you and not them by rooting. No one is hitting the mobs or nuking them, so you're not triggering root breaks.






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    A monk won't have problems getting pass execution trial.



    Just get a tank (warrior better cause of defensive for boss), rogue, cleric, bard or chanter, epic mage and your monk and you all set.


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    we AE Trials....so much faster



    banish what you can AE the rest

    insert 2 melee for marks at the end fo the group and go to one of the trials with no line and AE to death.





    rinse repeat

    enjoy


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    heard that in some cases those outside the fight have been able to get flags - how does that happen?


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    It used to be possible to spam the Tribunal and get into the trial room before the Executioner's corpse decayed, and loot a mark left on the corpse (e.g. if the people that won the trial had already been flagged). This has now been fixed.


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    it was also possible to log out in the trial room and later log back in, to get unneeded marks from a successful trial. don't know if that's fixed yet.


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    it would sure be easy enuf to fix - leave 6 flags max on the body and what is the likelihood that it can be done with less the six memebrs? Only way I could see that happen is if someone is already flagged and doesn't loot to allow a non fighter to get their flag.


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    <blockquote>Quote:<hr>it was also possible to log out in the trial room and later log back in, to get unneeded marks from a successful trial. don't know if that's fixed yet. <hr></blockquote>



    no

    and if you do...say lashing, for no line is there the lemmings are doing execution



    log out 5 people in the room

    log in AE group that already has marks

    log in 5 to loot after AE has won and scooted

    tadaa 5 more people to go to POV





    now i know this is not the way it was intended but some people hate having to wait for the right people to log on to do trials, so do them all in one night and be done with it.


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    I've done the Exe trial a bunch and even with shaky damage output was able to mow through him.



    I think a good thing to remember is that you DO NOT need a cleric. A druid worth a pile of beans will do just fine. Also, your Main Assist needs to pick those mobs fast and don't switch targets. Remember only have about 30 seconds to kill each mob.



    The first time I did this, getting a mark for my monk my group make up was like this:

    65 Cleric

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    61 Monk - ME!

    60 Paladin

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    Now that was an amazing group, but the funny thing is our cleric tanked the mobs that we weren't killing <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/tongue.gif ALT=":p"> Shaman just AE slowed.



    Another time, getting this with my druid was:

    65 Enchanter

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    58 Paladin

    61 Warrior

    61 Ranger



    This was probably the closest fight, as our damage wasn't really spectacular. There was a time where we came really close to losing too. In this case our enchanter just mezzed everything that was mezzable and I healed.



    Basically if everyone is paying attention and doing what they're supposed to do, you have a great chance of winning.



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    The hardest part of the trials, are all the newbies that suck at playing. You can not make any mistakes and need to be fast, but for every good person there is 10 that suck big time.



    How hard is it to jump a rock first and assist the MT, but a lot of people seem to find this a hard concept to grasp. Sure they say they understand, but once the fight starts they make newbie mistakes.


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    You can no longer log out and log back in inside the trial rooms, it logs you back in at the platform. I know I tried to do it with my enchanter b/c they didnt need enchanter they wanted a monk. Finished it with monk who was already flagged logged in my enchanter to loot it and I was moved back out to plat form.



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    Sorry, thought he was going by unbuffed.



    Even I top 4k hp's and 1200 AC buffed, so, my bad <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)">


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