View Full Version : how many quit ? number count
dont give reasons etc, just post here if you quit eq for good or only your monk and start a new toon.
just curious about the numbers, thank you
Acidclaw
60 Iksar Monk of Cazik Thule
Terris Thule server, Divine Legend
Honor - Freedom - Friendship - Loyality
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To soon to tell..
I have grown accustom to playing EQ a certain way. I 2 box with my druid and if I'm not able to do what I used to do, I will be forced to make a change. Weather I change characters or quit all together is, and will remain in the hands of VI.
I for one, see a patch soon.
Put monks back the way we were, and change our abilities for mobs that hit for a certain amount, like 300+.. Mitigate our dmg taken under these circumstances, not across the board.
If a mob hits for 300+ Max dmg, put a stipulation on our dodge and parry. That way Monks will not be able to tank mobs that hit that hard for any longer then intended.
/shrug, I tend to not try and figure out Verant.. Verant is like a female. Very hard to figure out, and once you think you have it, they change everything on ya.
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Too soon to tell, from what I have read, Non-uber players are screwed. I will probably wait another week and see what happens or what annoucements they make. I think this nerf missed the uber monks it was intended for and hit the casual, non-uber player. If they don't make any more changes I may be a former 50 monk changed into a rogue. /shrug only time will tell.
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miker985
10-16-2002, 09:31 PM
i quit.
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47 Monk of Xegony
Proud Member of Eternal Vengeance
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Mananut Bread here...
I have quit Manafist, in fact, quit him the day I heard about this, and from what I've heard from other monks his level and with similiar equipment, I've no regrets, as I went back to my level 60 cleric and have been having a great time again.
On that note, WTS Fungi Tunic on Nameless for platinum on The Seventh Hammer. :P
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My friend quit for good. Gave away most of the stuff on both accounts he had and deleted his people just to make sure it was for good this time =( If my account was active I would give em a few weeks then quit myself but he was just sick of all the BS changes they have been adding.
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Never trade for plat on 7th =) trust me, fungi tunics go for 110k here, fungi patch vests (the BST ones) go for 200k when you see them. CoF etc, around 100-120k, Torpor they try to sell for 70k or more.
The server is 1)Younger then many 2)had a lot of very high level people transfer to it when it came up. End result is that it is one of the highest priced servers I believe, at least based on the prices I see other people paying for gear on other servers.
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Worst case scenario i'll go back to playing my Druid, Warrior or Rogue and get one of them to 60 mabee.
And as someone else stated, somehow I see another patch coming shortly to "fix" what they "fixed" which may very well be a positive for Monks who got it bad in this last nerf. They NEVER get a class ballance change right on the first try, and probably never will... Either way, its basicly a wait and see thing for me.
I'll still solo/duo mobs just like I had before the patch and i'll still pull whatever I did before as well, I just might take more deaths doing so. Big whoop... Its only XP and once you've maxed the 60 bar, its only a matter of a few kills to fill in that minimal loss caused by a death (after a 96% rez of course).
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I soloed a few spiders in velks, they were pretty much the same for me. Other then fungi and cof i dont got nothin special.
For me this is nothing to quit over
<a href=http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=139385>Sionistic Triplefist</a>
58 Monk
Veeshan
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I think your earring is pretty spcial <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/tongue.gif ALT=":b">
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Goike Non-Uberness (http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=220228)
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its ok i guess, just comes in handy for velks spiders.
<a href=http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=139385>Sionistic Triplefist</a>
58 Monk
Veeshan
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The nerf/patch sucks. They took a fine class and beat it to hell. Monks have no real role in a group--ok maybe raids they can still pull--and that's been debated here. But a pickup group in DL? Who'd want a monk over: rogue, warrior, ranger, SK?
I dual box and now the druid support looks ubber-powerful. Geezus, I hate druids, shit they can take sparse mobs and then kite them around for 10 minutes and this is part of Verant's vision, but not FD pulling! So verant picks on monks. Bards at high level can heal more damage per click than clerics (so i've been told by bards). They mez. Unlimited "manna". You *could* easily make the case to nerf them using Verant's screwed up logic.
I have a shaman/SK alt team. Or maybe I'll start up a ranger. They dual wield. Spells. Tracking. Sow/snare. Track. Crits with archery like for 1600 pts. Taunt. I just wish Ogres could be rangers....(sigh).
Or maybe I'll quit. Too soon to tell.
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Thats one of VI's fatal flaws, they built the game around something they didnt plan
<a href=http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=139385>Sionistic Triplefist</a>
58 Monk
Veeshan
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mikebridge
10-17-2002, 12:41 AM
i cancelled my account the day i heard the announcement, i didn't need to wait til VI actually screwed it up to cancel, i had enuff forethought to cancel before the reg server got overloaded.
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I also quit the day I read the announcement. My other primary character was a mage (go figure). I quit because this isn't the first time Verant has pulled crap like this, and it won't be the last. It will be the last time they do it to me, however. Regardless of how the changes end up affecting the class, the principle of the matter was enough of a straw to break the proverbial back (me being a camel and all). VI doesn't give a rat's ass whether I quit, I'm sure, as my absence won't make any noticeable difference to them, but I feel better about not supporting them anymore.
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oh and dont worry goike, you have much better equip then i had at your lvl, hell i didnt have haste till lvl52
<a href=http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=139385>Sionistic Triplefist</a>
58 Monk
Veeshan
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I will most likely be quitting my monk. No uber gear, low ass ac (that was before the nerf too)! And it doesn't look like things will be getting any better soon...
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I'm a little disheartened with the changes. . . but I seriously thought it would be worse than it really is.
It's not "that" bad, IMO. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)">
I pulled HoT all night tonight and I really didn't have to adjust much with the pulls. A few Vehement Wyverns were extra nasty, but for the most part, it was okay.
I switch my time between my monk and my 55 Ranger alt. I'm really enjoying the Ranger these days. But, I'll never quit my monk, hehe. It's kind of like having a favorite team that you root for each year, even though they're in dead last place.
I just like the Monk class that way, kind of a loyalty of sorts.
Peace~
<font color="darkred">Xenzyr
Grandmaster
Obsidian Ryders
Xegony</font>
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Nope Haven't Quit, and I wouldn't Quit over this. Like always I will adapt and press on, playing my class for the fun of it. I may quit due to RL issues shortly, but not because of this simple screw up, everyone is human, they make mistakes. Verant makes many, (nobody said they were smart people), but like always if you don't like it don't play it, simple concept. They will realize their error at some point or another, besides, makes me more in demand when there are less monks around =P
Baron Ssyrax Shadowfyre
57th Iksar Master, Rise of the Phoenix
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Too soon...??
Parses are in my Brothers....we have been reduced to rubble if we are mid end monks.....
Skailzz Swiftailzz
Btw i gota stay FD that orc pawn will beat the crap out of me (hehehe)!!
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Theres not much change for my 55 monk. Just got fungi, RBG, and decent stuff. Infact it seems like there wasnt much done to him at all.
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"Nope Haven't Quit, and I wouldn't Quit over this. Like always I will adapt and press on, playing my class for the fun of it. "
I feel the same way SSyrax, glad i'm not the only monk out there )
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If the changes remain as is, I will also quit and NEVER play anothe Sony/VI produced game again, period. If they feel we need to be nerfed, fine, but this was WAY too harsh, and I refuse to join SWG and invest 3 yaers again to get screwed by another VI 'Dev' Team.
I will also steer as many of my friend AWAY from BVI products as possible. Other MMORPGs like 'City of Heroes' looks promising, and I'm sure more will pop up so there's more than 3 or 4 selections for this type of entertainment.
I Pre-Ordered PoP, but if things for Monks are still the same, tahtstore will have an extra copy on hand for some other player still willing to put of with VIs crap.
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i really dont know what to do i am heartbroken, i do UD in velks alot and whenever the tanks died we had a pretty good chance of still living thru it but tonight we had one tank and 3 monks well when the tank dided the gargs jsut ate thru all three of us like we were wizards had this had been last night we would have easily won the fight after this happened i got a tl to nexus and logged i am so pissed off right now 58 fooking lvls of stressin on for glory and now its like im 40 again im no better thna a druid with dual weild and for all the ppl out there saying they dont notice thats crap i ve been soloing most the day and grouping for a good bit of the night and i notice too much of a damn difference trying to figure out whch class i wanna twink now cuz the monk is shelved unless i can learn to live with this sdklsa
<a href=http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=393203>Sensai Limou</a>
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I canceled 4 accounts.
Dunno if my wife will let me quit the game permanently but I doubt I'll be playing my monk. Especially after getting my ass kicked all over Chardok today.
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Not quiting but still pissed off at this rubbish. Don't forget they boosted tanking abilitities of all the other relevant classes at the last minute so my guess is that this nerf was meant to be a lot worse than it was but they saw our reaction and changed the plan.
Still, playing BST alt more and not playing as much in general over this.
Pel
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Quit 3 Accounts ...
Transfered all items to my Girlfriend's Account (4th one) and watched her make a fortune in the Bazaar selling it.
I am by far tired of wasting my cash on a game that keeps changing for the worst.
Wrathian Eaglestrike EX lvl 54 Monk
And EX a whole bunch of other characters ...
Later VI!
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Kragmere
10-17-2002, 03:48 AM
Hey Lodorit!! Welcome to the boards heh. If they do decide to retune monk alil then it will prob be monday when servers come down and sneak it in. I myself will not quit I love my monkey even if it gets spanked alil harder now LMAO.. <eg>
Grandmaster Kragmere
Sign of One
Karana
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Im pretty sure that VI if not today or tommorow will eventually realize they've @#$@ up. Although we go back to normal a.k.a. have no problem with soloin at lvl 60 or somtin like that with one of our AA's.
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Yammi
lvl 51 Monk of Quellous
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I stripped my monk hes done and retired.
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Plain and simple. I was on a very crowded server ( Tunare ) and people wasnt being too kind eachother. Big guilds being asses and so. I also got bored with the game and decided to pump up my RL. Never regreted.
But was a nice experience, and having the luck of pulling on each zone of the game did rock ... i specially loved the NToV pulls. We had a great pulling team ( Tsin, Gthor, Corbyn, Mirross and me) and imo we did rock!!! Even we pulled really nice Vulak for 1st time, single pull on first try and with just two of us ( think Mirross and me). Plus not checking any board, just imagination, pure and simple hehe. Also with the help of our cothers ( Anik and Lilminx mostly /hugs guys ) and our dedicated healers ( basically Dangrim ... you still smell ! ). Great team work, and great fun as well. Ssra sucks for pullers ( except maybe AL room pathing). Also Tmax pull rocks ... basically, Vellious was great for me, and Luclin not :P
Rinjin Frostfyre, ex-Tide guild member. Monk 60th
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Hey, monkies, do you mean we're that weak so as to leave on the first sight of problems? Of course we're not, but when you can avoid being fu**ed, why would you want to be done so?
I personally have enough ppl who want to fu** me, and I'm going to leave because paying to be fu**ed (well, a lot of ppl do so, but not in this way) seems too much for me...
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Hi there Rinjin <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"> nice to hear from you again hope you doing well.
Shirdra 60 Grandmaster -Aurora Polaris-
Tunare server
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I will not delete my monk in hopes of them de-nerfing them, or giving them some sort of offensive bonuses, or what-not, to counter the straight defensive nerf. Not to mention I don't want to lose the Raster Idol I have, or the MQ of Jboots I paid for, etc.
But for now, I've stopped playing my monk, indefinitely, and put most all his gear on a new Ogre/Beastlord, anything he could wear anyway.
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Harbromme
10-17-2002, 07:52 AM
Araya, I think they broke mitigation in general yesterday or i was having a real bad day in chardok.
I got my ass handed at entry by a sniffer.
After blowing riposte disk and down to 30 percent life i ran.
Sniffer was still above 70 percent life.
If they wanted to reinstate the holy trilogy i guess they succeeded.
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Well quite Eq ..no not till warcraft worlds anyway then yes....but stop playing my monk ..YES if i cant solo for little spurts when i can get on line between RL things then theres just no point....just to hard to travel ...find group...and make any progress in an hour and a half a day dureing the week =(
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Fopoodzo
10-17-2002, 08:03 AM
Seems to be about a 10-15% defence (mitigation/ac) nerf, unless you have gear ~200ac or more above the ac soft cap for the mob you're fighting.
(and no addition to avoidance - despite the fact every other melee class got an INCREASE in avoidance in the SAME patch.)
So those with the worst gear get hit most by the nerf (from L1 to 60), and those with uber gear aren't affected at all.
WTG Verant those Evil casual gamers that actually enjoy the game and the monk class were just too happy! /sigh
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/rude verant i quit i cant solo half the things i used to be able to from the resist changes now i have evan less i can solo the high end encounters this was ment to effect did not change they just ended up screwing over the lower lvl monks
Master Sicoya Painedsoul
Swords for Hire
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Yeah, apparently it was not enough that warriors had def caps increased, /shield introduced, still an hedge of 1300 hps, dual EB weapons, boatloads of slowing, snaring, utility weapons and room for 12 of them in every top guild.
VI balance = big lie so far.
Let alone comparing dps with other classes when they tank 1000+ hit, aggro like mad and be the center of the world.
But sure, they needed upgrades.
/rant off
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Fopoodzo
10-17-2002, 08:46 AM
I'm quite happy at the other classes getting upgrades, I'm just unsure as to why they needed to nerf lower end monks as well.
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I don't think I'll be quitting yet. This is my main and I will see him through the bitter end.
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Goike Non-Uberness (http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=220228)
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EQ, EQ2, SWG, and Planetside can all go to hell.
Here it is -- like a bright shining star on the horizon:
www.blizzard.com/wow/ (http://www.blizzard.com/wow/)
And Verant/Sony has nothing to do with it.
And that's where I'll be.
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I have been semi-quit for a while now. Verant just does not get it.
Cocteau is only one of my charactors. My first love is my Paladin, and do not even get me started with how stupid Verant made the Paladin. I have played every class and do not quit simply because my monk got nerfed.
I am not really interested in EQ these days because Verant are morons. They have the most popular online game there is, and what do they do? They do things to totally piss off a majority of their players and cause them to quit. Does that make any sense at all? I think not. What they should do, is keep they game fun for the casual player, the players who are not ultra uber. I am sorry to point this out, but the ultra uber are the reason for the nerfs. Verant has no clue how to make the game interesting to the 24/7 uber raid elite. They assumed people would be addicted but they did not figure that people would work there way through their content like a 13 year old playing Final Fantasy high on chocolate and sprite.
Buddhist monk says to the hotdog vender, "make me one with everything."
Cocteau Megalast
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If VI doesnt start talking to us atleast a bit that will make me quit.
I like to believe that they change things for the overall good of the game, to do otherwise would be cutting their own source of income.
But, to hit us this hard then be ignorant to us, thats just too much.
This is the era of the Internet(obviously), Absor should have been posting here within an hour of the patch being completed or soon as he got to work.
Brotor Tiller
60 Monk
Rathe
League of Levity
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"PLAYoffs? PlayOFFS?"
If you quit, and you want it to mean something, send VI/Sony a letter and let them know you quit, and why. Tell them you feel slighted as a customer and left because of poor developer/customer interaction.
For those who did quit, did you think of quitting when other classes got "nerfed?" Or when some other change you perceived as "negative" was implemented?
Good change, bad change, it really doesn't matter to me. I for one am happy that VI is still involved in changing the game, making it a dynamic evolving world. I'm sure there will plenty of other out there who have parsed data to tell me exactly how "bad" it is to be a monk now. My experience from yesterday is that light blue mobs that I used to solo for tradeskill (smithing) drops I can still solo. They occasionally hit me for a little more than they used to, but the average hit isn't any higher, and I still avoid many, many hits. Blues I used to solo: same story. Blues I used to be able to solo sometimes, I still can solo, sometimes, but it's a little harder fight now. Oh, and I've lost 13 points of AC.
My response is, if you're leaving EQ over this, then you were ready to leave because of other reasons, this just became the last straw. If you think you're going to be happier playing some other MMOLRPG, just hope that the grass really is greener, because sooner or later you're going to run into the same kind of "nerf."
I would have to say to monks (including some things I myself said this past week) AND all those who "whined" and helped bring this change about (and you warriors know who you are) to stop looking at what some other class can do, and just learn to play the class you have chosen. My roommate plays a necro, my girlfriend plays a druid. If I compare what they can do to what I can accomplish as a monk, I'll pull my hair out. While they are quad kiting/fearing blue to yellow mobs, I'm getting my leather clad butt handed to me by a couple of green grimlings (and this was before the patch).
But I still have fun doing it, because I chose the monk because of the RL philosophy that forms the basis of the character class. I know I will have to make some adjustments to what I fight and when I run away. The number of solo encounters that I cannot do has not really changed. And my group function hasn't changed at all. The increased amount of damage I take now is so small as a percentage in a group function, when I have healer and good buffs, isn't even noticable to me. If I have to , I'll adjust, and learn the ways that I can have fun playing my monk. If not, there's always my cleric/warrior/mage/beastlord/wizard......
Alerithon Fatetwined
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Glaydor
10-17-2002, 09:31 AM
the nerf probably wont make me quit. But my friends saying STFU probably will. Probably be done in the next couple days
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Kragmere
10-17-2002, 10:17 AM
Damn World of warcraft sounds pretty good. I like the idea of when ya die you go to bind with all items =). Too bad no news on a release date. Maybe a nice change even if it don't take EQs place.
Grandmaster Kragmere
Sign of One
Karana
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I have cancelled both of my accounts and sent a few feedbacks to VI before I did. BUT the main reason for me quitting was not the fact that they screwed my 57 monk up. It was VI's total lack of response to my and the rest of the monk communities concerns. I am sure a lot of you like me requested information about the proposed changes and what did we get ? absolutely nothing from VI.
I am appalled at the complete lack of customer service in regards to our concerns as a whole and that in itself has been the mitigating factor in my accounts cancellation. I noticed that on the Dev Corner that they responded to Mages concerns on the mod rod nerf but not one single thing about the monk defensive changes.
I will not give my equipment away yet hoping that VI will at least acknowledge that they have heard and reviewed our concerns (no matter the outcome).
But if something dosn't come soon this is what I will do...
/emote will never buy a VI product again
/emote will never buy a sony product again
/emote will do his best to convince all his aquaintances not to buy from company(s) that have a complete lack of customer concern like VI and Sony.
Libeck Lesang
57 monk
The Tribunal
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If you're gonna quit...don't just cancel. Show everyone your outrage, and that you mean it when you say you are done. The following plan is for those that want to go out with a bang, and are a little more jilted about recent changes. Being moderately sociopathic also helps.
Feign-train large raids. Speed-key settings to kill:
Find a tough raid going on...something ToV, deep Kael, what have you. Wait until they are all buffed up and early into the big fight. This allows for a sporting chance, and much longer viewing time. If you're a real prick, wait for them to be about done, THEN engage Operation: FUBAR.
/say Sorry, my ability to mitigate just isn't what it used to be.
/say Gonna have to do what Verant intended for monks and just feign and stay in the fetal position urinating myself. Sorry you have to pay the price for my nerfage. Send complaints to: EQMail@station.sony.com, thank you and have an enjoyable CR.
/bye
/doability feign death
Watch the raid in question turn into a gigantic Keystone Cops routine, get some screenshots for posterity, and keep logs for laughs. Rinse and repeat until <font color =yellow>YOU HAVE BEEN SUMMONED BY THE GODS!!</font>
Continue until banned. Then you know you won't get bored one day, experience a bit of weakness and re-up that account. At this point, you can go out and do all that yardwork you've been meaning to "get to" for these last few years.
On the plus note, this allows for all classes to enjoy the nerf to its fullest extent. If you can't share with the community that has shown so much support for us ( ie - Warrior_01: HA HA UR NERFED, Pally_02: U SUK N DESURV 2 B NERF!, Shammie_03: ur 2 pwrful ne-way) after all these hard years of death during pulling, then what have we gained?
(The above is just an idea I've heard floating around the monk community, and certainly nothing that I would encourage, condone, nor take part in.)
Faust
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I quit my monk. Only going to play "alts" until Shadowbane comes out. Then its the Cancel buton for me and never turning back.
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IF I decide to go out with a bang it will be with a warrior or SK class. The monk is an innocent victim here and I'd rather smear some plate classes names.
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Nylira,
The bag appears no-drop because your pally has a no-drop item inside it. Take that out and it will become tradeable.
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Warhammer Online.
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I gotta give VI credit, I don't think I've ever seen a gaming company piss so many people off in one swoop like this. Bravo.
I haven't quit my Monk and I'm not going to play another class. If this nerf makes the game unplayable to me, I'll just quit. But I'm still hanging in there, hoping for a change or some sort of logical explanation at least. Still alive and kicking (and feigning alot more) here. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)">
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i think the tanks and bard(WTF?) upgrade is pushing me over the edge. i am close to hitting the cancel button, but i need to test a little bit more. so far i am upset. i can still 'solo', but it is sure isnt very well. pulling is awful now... i am getting hammered while pulling.
they upgraded tanks, why did they need to nerf monks? FU verant
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Sibian
10-17-2002, 11:13 AM
Im right on the border of quiting..
Either my monk or all together..
Im kinda waiting to see how it all turns out after PoP.
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I recommend you all have a seperate board for peeps who quit. Druids grove implemented Fallen Leaves for Druids who quit so they could post their goodbyes.
I reccomend something along the lines of Attained Chi or Deep Meditation or some such phrase you can come up with.
I think its kinda classy to have a board for folks who are moving on, more will be coming due to nerfs and the game getting old/new games coming out.
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Come on people. One little nerf and your quitting? Try playing a necro, we were nerfed like 20 patches in a row!
They are simply lowering a monks damage mitigation ability to where it should be. AC is still important, HP is still important. They are not "lowering" the AC of a monk. Each time a monk takes damage, they will take "more" damage than normal. Drop your STR items, get some AC items. Don't use UBERLY high aggro weapons on a RAID, FD when when RAID mob aggro's you, etc etc etc. You simply have to change the way you play is all.
Necro's have had to go through the NERF BAT like 20 times, and ya simply gots to change how you play. A lot of people don't like change, and understandedly I DO NOT PERSONALLY think that monks were GAME ALTERING, but when things like this happen ya gotta suck it up and continue on, like us Necro's have for 3 years.
On a sidenote: Playing this game isn't, to me, always about STATS and DPS and ABILITY, but about Socializing with other people, going on little group RAIDS, etc. Some of the most fun I've had in the last month with my monk was going into ME at level 9 to try and get a GSC. Sure I died like 100 times, but man it was fun! Shouting Level 9 Monk LFG in ME was hilarious! I had 3 groups trying to get a GSC for me, and it was a blast. Thanks to Guild Arete, who finally pulled one down for me! Point is: This game isn't all about stats/mechanics and number, its also about having fun.
Deed/Nez out.
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I can't believe anyone would quit over a change in the game like this. Doesn't really make sense. Did all the necro's quit when there pets were tuned way down, in what was that, oh ya like March of 2000? No, there are still a ton on necro's running around today, even after being "nerfed".
I myself play a monk, he is 43 and before the patch got comments and complaints from the guild everytime I played him. In zones like CoM when we were raiding to get some reavers I would pull to group, feign, get up fight, get argo, kill reaver while taking less damage than the pally and ranger who were also there and who are both 54. On a normal basis I could tank better than both of them, and they didn't like it one bit. Can you blame them? I two boxed with my cleric and I could mow through the entrance of CoM and clear all the mobs without a single complete heal, I would cele heal every now and then, but mostly just pull and hit attack.
So, is this worth quiting over? No! Will we have to adjust, yes. Are we more in line with everyone else, yes. That is good, I also a 59 Paladin, and sadly there was times when my monk was a better tank than the paladin.
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Hmm, I think that if I do quit, the nerf's effect will be a small part of my decision. I've been playing since August of 99. I've leveled up various classes, met a lot of good folks (and some bad), had a lot of fun, etc. Lately though, the game has become a chore. My wife and I both play and it's to the point where unless we both <u>want</u> to log on neither of us do. I've started playing golf again regularly, seeing rl friends on a more consistent basis ect. I don't think I'd change the last few years (it hasn't affected my life that much) but I'm sure the end is near, nerf or no nerf... my 2cps
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to some people the game is about socializing, to some it isnt. people who play the game to win are the ones outraged...people who play to hang out w/ friends couldnt care less....saying "youre wrong because you play to kill mob a and get item b" makes little sense and less effect
Just a random couple random comments for fun:
a) no on knows what verant did to monks
b) i'm guessing some programmer was told to change it, so he picked a random line of code and changed it, wait for respoinse, then change a differnet line while restoring the first. eventually, the programmer will change the right line and people will be quite
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Battil ***On a normal basis I could tank better than both of them, and they didn't like it one bit. Can you blame them? I two boxed with my cleric and I could mow through the entrance of CoM and clear all the mobs without a single complete heal, I would cele heal every now and then, but mostly just pull and hit attack. ***
It might be just me but I hate comments like this one from some one sporting a fungi and 36% haste at lvl 43.
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Fopoodzo
10-17-2002, 12:34 PM
<blockquote>Quote:<hr> It might be just me but I hate comments like this one from some one sporting a fungi and 36% haste at lvl 43. <hr></blockquote>
Hehe yep. That will affect things quite a lot, not exactly valid in many ways.
As far as I'm concerned they can reduce out ability to tank, I don't mind or care especially.
But they could have done it with out seriously nerfing monks solo abilities.
Simply nerf defence (great can no longer tank anything like as well) and proportionally increase monk damage. (great can't tank anymore, can still solo.)
But no VI has to choose the silliest most player unfreindly way.
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cut and pasted from another thread...
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Farewell friends. Unless VI figures out a more appropriate way to balance our class, I too am gone. (Hint - Up the AC cap...doh)
Here are the first 4 letters of the 5 accounts that I cancelled tonight. Be sure that I will not purchase PoP for them, nor will I play SWG and EQ2. I am certain that VI can do a search to verify their cancellation.
TAGS
MARB
XENN
PHAN
UNDE
Grats to the designer that figured out yet another bad solution to an otherwise simple problem. I hope that VI takes the amount I would have spent over then next 5 years and deducts it from your bonus.
Be well fellow monks.
Ghitming Vorpalwind
60 Monk
59 Wizard
55 Bard
52 Necro
52 Chanter
ps - Friends can still contact me at Ghitming@yahoo.com.
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I'm on monk strike until this all resolves. In the meantime, I'll just play my SK, he deserves to hit 50+
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another interesting thought
monks having such high ac is from verant giving high ac items a low weight. this makes the all/all good items fesable and nice for monks, thus monks gain ac's of 1500+
this nerf is an instant solution to a problem which has been developing longer than ihave played....it wont suporise me if verant continues to put in plate armour w/ low weight while expecting monks to stay a leather wearing class
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I logged on the night of the patch, killed a few dogs in kc, got my ass handed to me by lb dogs, went on a doz raid, got hammerred there pretty hard and realized it was no longer worth it. So after 60 levels 25aa pts i'm retiring Gad and going to play my kitty bard.
Unless they change monks again i probably wont bring gad on unless I need to cr someplace relatively simple.
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I created a bard and have been playing it all the time. A friend, also a monk, created a rogue and we've been duoing for a little over a week now. Anyway, I'm taking a "wait and see" attitude. I doubt I'll buy PoP anytime soon. Kinda wish SWG was coming out a little sooner. Guess I'm a little disgruntled.
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"No, there are still a ton on necro's running around today, even after being "nerfed"."
For the longest time, there were BARELY any necro's on any of the servers. People are just now starting to dust them off again because they have finally become playable again.
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Can I just add something... VI doesnt give a crap if you quit your monk and play another toon, they still get exactly the same amount of cash...
*dunno if anyone said this already, didnt read all the posts ;p*
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Holy crap break out the cheese!
My monk is hardly uber and according to everyone whining, would be the hardest hit by the nerf (mid level non uber gear). I hardly noticed any difference. Did the usually cleric/monk duo with my buddy and we where able to kill same as before. When he logged I was able to solo the same shrooms, wolves, and zelniaks as I was before. No fungi, no 36% haste, no uber anything.
I wish I would have parsed some fights before the nerf so I could be sure, but at first glance it looked like I was getting hit less often but getting hit for max a lot more. The damage is certainly more streaky than before but hardly anything to quit over.
My first impression is that monk mitigation can be compared to the 2 warrior disciplines Evasive and Defensive. Before the nerf, monk mitigation was like the Defensive disc. All damage was being mitigated somewhat and the damage a mob did was very linear and predictable. After the nerf it is more like Evasive. You don't mitigate damage as well, but you don't get hit as often. This leads to spikes in mob damage and it is much less predictable. For any 2 of the same mob, it might take you down to 20% health one time due to a string of hits, while the next one will only take you to 70% dues to a string of misses.
We, enough rambling. Quit if you want, the more good monk items for sale in the bazaar, the better it is for me.
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<blockquote>Quote:<hr> Did the usually cleric/monk duo with my buddy<hr></blockquote>
Well, duh. Of course you're going to do fine with a cleric backing you up. Everyone's talking about their ability to solo.
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I quitted before the nerf patch, mostly related to the spawn competition that's happening high end.
Oh and luclin animations didn't help me, look at a real horse animation :
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warcraft has always been kinda cartoony to me....to many bright colours....get too deep in the animation, your comp isnt gonan be able to handle it
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I quit both my accounts ... will tell the wife I did it for her. Then again if they fix monks, she wont be happy.
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<blockquote>Quote:<hr> warcraft has always been kinda cartoony to me....to many bright colours....get too deep in the animation, your comp isnt gonan be able to handle it<hr></blockquote>
I'd bet dollars to donuts that if your system can handle Luclin it will handle WoW just fine. The models look bright and stylish but the polygon count does not seem excessive. Which means they are relying on textures to give detail and not geometry. That's the smart way to do it for massive multiplay.
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Blizzard games never demand the high end machine, so it's gonna run fine on most computers. However, given Blizzard's history, your current machine won't outlast the release date of WoW. :) Heh!
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I have been playing this game since the first month it came out. I love the monk class.BUT VI really screwed up.As for the necro DEEDBOK. at least u can still solo with easy, so STFU. alot of monks don't have a 1500+ ac.as it stands right now alot of people just stoped playing there monks.i was talking to a GM on my server and he said that he is seing accts get cancled alot now. I will still play my monk. but i am waiting for Shadowbane to come out. As a side note FUROR u can go fuck yourself for this.
galatnius
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This nerf is a blessing in disguise!
*resumes meditating in the lotus postion*
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I haven't posted much on this MB, but I have a 55 Monk that I loved...after patch I dusted off my old necro who was my first love, so until they fix there mess up I will be on my necro. /rude Verant...thx la~
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I quit my monk, started a beastlord and shaman.
Brother Phantasmal Fists
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Xoltec TigerFighter
10-17-2002, 05:01 PM
I about i will stop playing my monk that's too bad i have played EQ 3 years now and the unique class have give me satisfaction today it's the monk but now i can play correctly and it's anormal change a class for the exploid or quitting of little group of ubber monk in the game.
Je suis trop déçus par verant aujourd'hui.
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i had no doubt my system could handle anything warcraft could toss out, my post was for people who are running luclin at 0 extras (models etc)
didnt know how they were doin warcrafts' animations....sitll looks cartoony :)
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I have almost completely decided to quit my lvl 50 monk (I won't delete him) and start a rogue or a Beastlord. If they fix this I will bring the monk back though. On my new characters profile I am going to put, "RIP, Former pre-nerfed lvl 50 iksar monk"...
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Simple for me...
I am a big Twink, look at my profile.
I started a Monk because they are the only pure melee class that could solo well (no Rangers, Paladins, Shadowknights are NOT pure melee).
I don't care about numbers and figures and calculations.
I know how well I could solo before this patch, and I know how well I can (or can't) solo now.
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sorry to tell ya, but your hardly a twink at lvl 53 bud. half your stuff is only average at best..
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<blockquote>Quote:<hr> sorry to tell ya, but your hardly a twink at lvl 53 bud. half your stuff is only average at best.. <hr></blockquote>
lol
Ok man, whatever you say. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)">
I'm 47, and if you call Fungi, Tstaff and 31% haste "hardly a twink" and "average at best" more power to ya.
I consider myself a twink, to eahc his own I guess.
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I am one, done with my monk. Honestly I quit monk
Am now playing a hybrid, level 27
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Raemius
10-17-2002, 05:55 PM
I'm gone
2 accounts canceled.
I've been dealing with Verants game stupidity since original world and have had it.. And I'm not going to buy any verant products in the forseeable future.
Additionally 4 of my friends have also quit.
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Wing Terrian
10-17-2002, 06:06 PM
This, stacked on all the other little details. The GM's roaming garbage. Watching classes get bent over. The influx of class envy, and whine-fests that have been produced. It's no longer worth the effort to log in. Myself and all the accounts attached to my credit card, are being canceled. And on a safety note, placing a stop payment against Sony, incase they "forget" that my accounts are canceled. Judging from how they manage things with EQ over the past almost 4years now, think the billing dept is any better?
Barring act of god...
Solong and thanks for the adventures.
Wastrel da Leezurd.
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I won't quit.
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They have violated the ONE defining principle of a persistant game world.. dont totally change the game for people. Why the hell should I get aaxp or better gear if its just to be the same as I was when I was perfectly balanced?
Investing time and money in playing EQ is like investing in real-estate in a place where they have an earthquake every 6 months.
Here is a clue Verant... change the rules in new expansions but DONT screw up people across the board.
No persistance = no security = no fun.
IF there is a major bug USE YOUR HEAD to fix it.. DON'T GO FOR THE QUICK SOLUTION.
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Ezhar
10-17-2002, 06:28 PM
Hmm, cancelled my two accounts several months ago. It's amazing how much I missed out on during all of those years playing EQ.
;)
Good thing too what with all the hubbub over these changes.
(Played since Beta)...
~Ezh
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Ganjin
10-17-2002, 06:43 PM
Posted this as the reason I made a Monk, fits perfectly here too.
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hmm.
My first character ever was druid. Looked at the abilities, healing, buffing, ports, debuffs, nukes and thought 'wow, great utility class, should be a really great part of a group'.
Got tired of soloing at 30 and made a warrior.
Got sick of always chasing the next peice of gear I had to have.
Died 3 times in a pickup group in Najena, last one was a no res / group broke deal that left him 4 zones away with no money. Ate 6 more deaths on the cr attempts.
Shelved him at 32.
Looked at the monk class descriptions:
"The Monk is dedicated to honing her body into a pure weapon, shunning most weapons and forms of armor. She's very religious as well, and the gods are known to bless Monks by magically enhancing their attacks." - EQ Manual.
Loved it, I was level 19 before I started using anything but fists. Did the noob armor quests and bought a few pieces of wu's, then didn't worry about gear at all till nearly 40.
At 43, my ac / hp is nearly identical to my warrior at 32, so I've taken the nerf-bat square on the chin.
/shrug Given the choice of playin a class I loved to play, now reduced to a loot whore same as the one I shelved for the same reason, or finding something else to do with my time. Guess I will go on my way remembering it was fun for a while.
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I won't be buying PoP myself. Thinking seriously of dumping EQ anyway, i'm on legends so i'll be saving myself a wad of cash if i do.
As for alternatives to VI games i highly recommend EVE online. They have a new behind the scenes video you can download from their webpage. (http://www.eve-online.com/)
I'm starting to get tired of medieval fantasy mmorpg's and have been dying for someone to make an elite MMORPG style game. These guys look to have done it in spades. I'm depserately hoping to get in the beta. This game company has great potential.
I guess VI is doing me a favor by pushing me away to what i think will be a superior game. Just wished they hadn't destroyed the monk class untill Eve hits the shelves. =)
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I quit at least 4 months ago. I heard about the nerfs and started going to all my old message boards, this one in particular, to see how it was affecting players first-hand. I'll merely say quitting EQ, for me anyway, was a great decision, and there are plenty of other games out there to keep one entertained.
However, this nerf did affect me in that I was highly anticipating Star Wars Galaxies. This nerf kind of reminded me of how many times Verant had screwed over their player-base over the years, so I'm a little hessitent towards buying any online game now. I'm turning into more and more of a console gamer every day. If you're a MMORPG fan though, there are plenty coming down the pipe.
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I had took a break for a while, and was getting ready to come back and started playing again before all this. No sense, my 2 accounts are gone. The game took too much of my RL time anyways.
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since patch i havnt dared to even try to fight anymore. gonna shelf kraal here for a while and hope things play out. been planning on trying a ranger for a long time anyways. if nothing else i can mess around with trade skills seeings how thats about all my monk is gonna have left from the looks of things
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I quit, not gonna post reasons, just did, EQ is gay, leave it, we all must leave it. I quit as a 60monk, 14aa, nice equip, etc, bye bye norrath i'll remember you in therapy
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Killed 2 accounts. Keeping 3rd untill they decide to do something stupid like this again. Monk is now shelved. Guess I'll be getting some more playtime on Necro and SK now, heh.
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I'm hanging up my 2 acounts. I've allready stripped my characters. I'm just waiting untill I let all my friends in the game know that I'm leaving.
It's not just this silly nerf that hit far from the bullseye. My main acount is pre kunark and lately I've had this bad feeling creeping up on me. This last blunder just kinda put it in the light. I really hate to say it but I feel like they honestly don't know what they're doing anymore.
P.S. I play a shaman as a main but my second acount has a lvl 52 monk that I USED to love to play.
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I currently pay for 6 accts and after this monk nerf I am about to finish unloading stuff off alts on one of them and cancel it.
Which will put me at 5 accts. IF the PoP expansion does some seriously stupid things (such as allowing some sort of hub that allows free painless access to Plane of Mischief-on RZ with all the scumbag manaburn ganks, sk ganks etc this will ruin the zone, if you're not on a pvp server you won't understand so just ignore this example) anyway if they really screw the pootch another 2-3 accts will be cancelled.
And finally if we don't see some serious improvement to monks to compensate us for this nerf-I want to see stuns added to our flying kicks (plate classes now bash for 95 dm + added stun) and I want to see some serious addition of damage ( read the parse thread showing whole guilds damage using VT weapons on this site, a warrior outdamaged the two monks, nd the rogues were insanely ahead of the monks, and a ranger was like 1 dps beneath us NOT COUNTING any bow dm, just melee (grrr and the AM3/EQ rangers I know were the ones gloating the most about this monk nerf)
Anyway if we don;t see some serious, class redefining additions to us to make up for the role they ripped form us then I'll cancel another account or two. At that point it will be all over for my relationship now or ever in the future with any Verant product.
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if no change to nerf, toying with idea of either cancelling second account or rerolling djinnz and making a rog / war / sk
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Senadin A
10-18-2002, 03:22 AM
I wont Quit, I like my monk and there are so much things left for me to see, try, explore, quest and many many more mobs to fight. I do have 2 friends monk 55 and 58 who quit.
Not me, maybe I am only 52, I am not 60, I don't have my epic and I have tons of adventures ahead of me. I don't like the nerf maybe I am no big shot like many are (no offense meant). I also am relatively new to the game, 1 1/2 years or so. I seen patches come and go as well as nerf.
But I have spend so much time and energy that I don't want it to go to waste and maybe that as a lot to do, found a new guild. The new guild has totally change my way to see the game. I feel bad to see experienced monk to go, when I gota ask a necro to show me how and where to pull Vox ( we didn't rush her) Well she was nice and all, but I would have felt more in trust coming from a fellow monk. I did good pulled her, she feared me and I fell in the pit. Lol...I don't care it was fun, they killed her while I was running down below found the ladder up and died from mobs! Point is we, younger monk need you high level monk, whose gona teach me to do PoH or any other plane? a SK???
If all you old and wise monk leaves it does more then hurt the game it hurts us the younger monk who wana stick and stay. I share and understand your frustration, don't get me wrong. I however hope you enjoy ...how shall I put it, your retirement. I am sure many of you will miss you.
Wana know what I felt like when the raid leader ask me to pull her? Damn proud no one else but me and only my other buddy monk where in this 56 peeps involved in the raid, 2 monks that is all. I am proud to be a monk, and I tell them!!
btw lol the loot was crap, no book, 3 cleric mace , the bard horn.....and a nice weight redux bag!!!
/em runs away with his new bag!!
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It is so strange that people can be bent over, violated without lube and to such an extent they are willin gto throw away the character they have spent years building but DON'T cancel their accounts.
Listen. Verant will only respect ONE thing. The money they receive. I am pretty sure the number of cancellations has been noticed but there seems to be a lot of monks who are stopping playing their toon but not canecelling. Remember you can still play till billing cycle ends. Get that "End Billing" button hit and SEND THE MESSAGE TO VERANT.
It is the only language people like this understand.
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well that's it for my 40 monk, am really sorry i wasted time on it i coulda been levellin my wiz....
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Quit cancled monk account.
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Killing one account now as I type this post, and the other probably at the end of the month if nothing happens.... had expected some reaction from VI before now.
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I start my monk 3 years ago when they really blew chunks only follow by rogues. Back then IF we had almost compleet set up netted witha vox bracer at 40 you where uber. Heck i wore a lockjaw tunic till i was 48. Face it boys and girls the game has gotten Extremly easyer for monks over the years from what i see the average non twinked monk at level 25 has alot beter equipment that I had at 50. Course that was back when it took like 3 months to get to level 20 :). I love my monk and have been around threw the highs and lows. Heck if they nerfed monsk defence to 100 Id still play my monk just adapt the way i play. In general up until mid kunark when monks got there first fungi monks could not solo at all except mabey soem exp green if there where lucky and then was like 10 minutes down time per fight. Personaly I expected it to be bad when i heard the anouncment but i knew it would be know where as hard as it was origonaly when i started my monk. That people would quit over and announcement of a possable nerf boggles me. Yes i was upset the day after the patch when i got my arses handed to me by the first spider in velks and logged. Next day i went back and said okay what did i do wrong and what do i need to do to help me some more. All i did was bumb a small regen buff from a passing druid then work on my mob positioning and i was good to go. To be a succesfull monk you have to learn to adapt to changing things and think outside of the box. Something not working? Find anther way adapt and change.
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Thanks for the advice Thand, but we've already established that at 3838hp and 1375ac you've very little to adapt to.
And back in the day when you were in Mesh armour, a Warrior was doing pretty damn well kitted out all in Bronze armour... you were comparable.
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Hrm.
Allied monks that I know (one is 56, the other is in her mid 40's) said that they really don't notice much of a difference at all. Apparently the damage is more random, so sometimes a light blue will do 60% of their health, while other times it'll only take out one red bubble.
The 40ish one, since she never had much twink gear to begin with, said that she seems to be doing better soloing now.
Have all of you soloed for a few days before immediately shouting what a horrible nerf it was?
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Senadin A
10-18-2002, 06:33 PM
I have, i been fighting the gnomes in Echo, started at 48 now i am at 52, i still fight them, nice spot by the way, they are now light blue. Having said that i died yesterday from one (FD failed). I was full HPS when i started the fight didnt have mend up and i always try to fear them. Well it was neck to neck and i really thought i could beat it. Now i fight so many of those gnomes that one fight over 2-4 hours is nothing. I dont have parse or what not. What i have tough is 4 levels of fighting the same mob. Before the patch i would get hit and take less damage, now i see much more punches to my ugly lizard face at 89hps a pop. More yes, but not enough to stop me from fighting em. They are slightly undercon. I a somewhat decent gear wise, ac-997 with SoS proc an ATk about 1007 with Gobby earring buff.
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go on a "grieving spree" before cancelling hehe <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/devil.gif ALT=":evil">
I sure and the hell know those FoH cacks would feel the pain if I were on that server.
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You think we haven't been playing prior or since the nerf in order to gauge its impact?
You perhaps want to rethink your question?
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I quit a few months ago from boredom with the game for one, but also because I saw this nerf coming and didn't feel like wasting my time waiting. Cancelled two accounts and though I miss talking to folks, I won't be coming back because of $hit like this and all the other little stealth nerfs they continue to add.
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Griefing spree?
heh ruin the fun for others just because one person is pissed?
Come on, you think a few monks ruining it for others will do much for them? You just earn yourself a suspsension / ban (at least you'll be gone for good if you so desire) and people think your a dick.
PS - FoH is in VT most often and they can probably handle whatever you desire to bring after them anyways
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Greetings
54 monk here
ac906 agi174 dex205 hp1600+
Got killed by a lvl 32(green) mob today that was duel hitting me for 80+
had no mend nor disc up and FD failed
NO MORE MONK FOR ME
I would like to thank Verent for wasting my time on leveling my monk and the 80k i spent on items for him, THANKS SO MUCH ASSHOLES
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my monk is stripped.........selling his gear, or whats left of it, in bazaar now (along with about 50 other monks......now our gear is all worthless too, fuck you again VI)
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I love the nerf, ppl quiting monks =) the less the better, now I can actually get Tstaff for cheap WOOOT.
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Cancelled my account the day I read about this...
"Come on people. One little nerf and your quitting? Try playing a necro, we were nerfed like 20 patches in a row!"
Hum, if this was the only thing they have done in the recent months, I would not quit. Neither would many others.
The thing is, monks are being beaten into the ground. Between the insane caster upgrades (what in the hell, they were ALREADY better than a warrior mob), resist nerfs, and now this, it is pushing many people over the edge.
I suppose I am one of them.
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10-19-2002, 01:38 AM
I hadn't been playing, but I had my account open for several months, in case I had the urge.
I have now cancelled it.
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Taking a break from my monk until this all blows over, got my druid a couple more levels hehe.
Made a warrior too on the second account, since 2boxing with the bard would've been very hard heheh.
Hopefully they'll give monks something that will compensate for this nerf.
When the nerf went in place I got on my monk, was in KC, so I pulled a drolvarg sentry (dark blue con). Had some cleric buffs that put my HPs at 3043 or so.
By the time the drolvarg was dead, I was down to 890 HPs, so it did roughly 2153 points of damage in the fight. Almost every hit he landed was for 80 - 100.
The week before I was soloing these, unbuffed, not even SoW`d. My unbuffed HPs is 1999 HPs, and I could usually kill a drolvarg sentry and have about 45 - 65% health left. Meaning they used to do about 900 - 1300 HPs in damage.
Yes, I did this multiple times to make sure the first one wasn't a fluke. From my results from 5 sentrys, all dark blue, they were doing about 40% more damage than they used to. I'll do more testing, assuming I can find clerics to buff up my HPs <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/ohwell.gif ALT=":"> .
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Quit slightly before the nerf, but had that nerf come along while I was still playing, I would probably have quit.
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Believe ot or not my main is a warrior and even i saw the bad side to these nerfs before the patch went in.
But i also see the other side
General EQ day
get a group standard makeup, warrior monk cleric drui/sammy caster of some kind whatever, lets just look at the warrior/monk
i lvl 37 he lvl 34
i have 770 ac not sure what his is
i level maxxed on dual wield double attack and 1hs wielding JboM and Centi Longsword taunt also maxxed
he has 2 KD's
Not only does he out damage me that i can handle, lose taunt, hey just keep reminding him to fd(which he wouldnt do) so i get it back, but i get damaged worse than him in the long run as well
to sum up, with max skills available to my warrior at the time a monk 3 levels lower than me could out hit taunt and had higher defensive abilities than myself. IE - he replaces my role as a tank
Now after patch, group with the same monk, and he is bitchin about his nerf, see it from my side, sorry but i will tell you all what i told him, change the way u play and move on.
Monks were never meant to be tanks, and that is what they were before this patch. this puts the roleplaying aspect of the game back on par. I do agree they overdid it, but it needed to happen.
You all think u have been hard done by, think about all the mid level warriors that kept gettin passed up because monks could outtank us at lower levels
just my 2cp
Dont just look at it from your side, look at it from the non twink/average equip warrior that is trying to do his job and failing caus the monks were way overpowered
Bruenoar Battlehammer
37 warrior
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I've stopped playing my monk, and am actively working on my cleric's epic while looking for a new class to play.
I'm also looking seriously into playing E&B once I finish building my new computer.
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My one and only char (Gujoryu) born April 1999 died the day of the patch. I've struggled over 54 levels...grouped when I can, but I had to do a lot solo because of RL constraints (I'm a physician). I was really having a great time, making a difference in the guild and enjoying the game.
I logged on the other day and with fairly good gear (fungi, sshs, Amy Staff) got my ass handed to me in KC by sentry's (the same ones I solo'd a day before). Went outside to DL and found that things were just as bad even with the light blues. I looked to my guild for support (I can't imagine being anything but supportive to others if this happened to them) only to find none. People were openly bashing me in the guild channel, I just wanted to be sick.
I don't know much about visions and where things are going, but I do know that I'm upset that I've paid into something for over 3 years to have this happen. Its hard to actually cancel my accout, but if nothing changes in the next week then its Verant's way of telling us politely (or rudely) its time to leave (don't let the door hit you in the butt). I'm not sure what they want, but I guess its not my money anymore. I too will never buy another product from this company and strongly encourage others to do the same.
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I created Raot within the week after Tribunal came up. Didn't play him much till the winter though, mostly because I was too busy for EQ. But after that, I started playing him quite a lot, and found myself really enjoying it. This was, of course, before Kunark. I didn't like what Verant did to the design of the game with Kunark, but it wasn't enough to get me to stop playing.
But then more things happened. I'm sure some of you remember how Verant player wiped Test. I was pretty horrified by that, and it was somewhat more personal to me as I sometimes played on Test. Then came other brilliant things, such as the Mystere banning incident. If I didn't have some friends who played EQ, I would have quit over that.
As time went on, I found I was enjoying playing less. And I realised that there were no more goals I had that I could attain, given my playstyle, social habits, and decidedly casual/roleplaying guild. The raids I was invited on were entertaining enough, but I watched as people left behind all of their principles when it came time to dole out the loot. And it got worse as EQ became more and more item centric.
I'm not sure exactly what it was, but I stopped playing. And then I finally cancelled my account this summer. I didn't enjoy playing Everquest anymore, my friends weren't playing it as much, and my online acquaintances had sort of drifted away. Then there was my belief that Verant didn't care about its customers, and didn't even know how to design a game to be rewarding. I decided, last month, to renew again, just to give it another shot. And then I read the rather large nerf announcement. I barely even had to think about cancelling again.
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Go start a warrior...VI seems to like them
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Mine has been permanently retired, striped, and will be deleted when I have the heart. The equipment will allow me to twink a warrior and a shaman. this way I can play classes that are actually nerfed for the better.
Fuck you VI, for ruining the best toon I ever had. Thank God I have a 60 cleric to play now instead, Fuck you VI, I will NOT be buying PoP and I will NOT be playing EQ2, Fuck you VI !!!
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Changed my main to my mage.
Bought a 100k horse from sellin monk's equipment so no way I'm going back, even if the un-nerf :-P
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I have quit playing my monk as far as levelling goes. He is now my tradeskill tailoring mule as my tailoring is 202. If things don't change for the better I will probably sell off all his gear (worth about 200k) and twink another class.
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I gave my account away and have quit EQ for good.
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quit, nuff said.
playing Earth and beyond, and will play City of Heroes and warhammer when they come out, WoW, SG2, SB all look gay, they will be DAoC and AO remakes, fucking gay
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Quit, went to AO. The mission system is nice, I think. It's more like a video game and less like a job... levels just kinda happen while you're trying to accomplish the mission... plus, you get guns!
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honestly i notice a slight increase in teh amount of dmg i take on raids pulling and such.. HoT is same as before tho.. really run.. never let them hit you. Soloing is a bit harder.. i may have to use a few more bandaids.. but really not alot changed for me.
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Ha. That's all I can even think to say. We have been through alot, however its in my mind's eye that to VI we are not the Shaolin monks of ass whoopage, the Chinese warriors of metal. (taken for the fact that our Class title is Sensei, GJ VI use a japanese name for a chinese idea (gives people at VI the "giant L" award.)
Oh get past that, we are not 'monks' we are brawlers, we are fist fighters, street fighters. Where a plate wearing warrior is "Anoooold" with bulging mussles. Maybe I am being an idealst and maybe I do stuff diffrently then I am supposed to, but Velks is a joke to solo at 60, fear the power of a 60 monk a fungi tstaff and a butt load of bandages! I get the job done, I have no issues. while camping shards in ssra I got to tank the warden for a while just because our MT was "serveceing" his wife, stone stance and mend and I was back the game. yah sure you cant tank AOW or cursed or something, but you know what I can't hardly tell the diffrence, save for the fact that I dodge block and get missed so much that I feel like I should be in the Matrix sequil.
I ain't quitting, this shit is just getting good.
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ran my 60 female iskar monk back to cab where she was born and camped her out; went back to playing my high elf cleric.
thanks verant!
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So, monk damage mitigation got nerfed. Boo hoo. I guess your main motivation for playing EQ was to see your Monk take damage a certain way, and now that the thrill is gone it's time to move on. Get real. It isn't some catastrophic thing, it isn't going to change how the game is fundamentally played, and if you quit because of this change I'm surprised you didn't cancel your account in outrage on the first patch day you came across because they made changes to Befallen or something.
If you're gonna quit, be my guest, otherwise just suck it up and get back to playing the game.
Talibkweli, grumpy ass 60 MNK, MT
PS: I noticed that I was taking hits for more damage, but I must have been getting hit less, because I was killing at about the same rate as usual more or less. They didn't remove the FD skill guys, its not that big of an adjustment.
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So, what, you all cancelled your Everquest accounts but you still find it worthwhile to check this message board? Are you monks in real life then, too? So what now, you'll just complain about EQ full time in lieu of actually playing the game? Get over it. If you really quit, then move on. I'm sure Shadowbane will have some class that you can play that you'll be able to claim is serially neglected, underpowered, and savagely oppressed, but for some reason you just keep playing them anyway.
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Some of us are bent out of shape over a nerf... what are you bent out of shape over? Or are you just bent out of shape?
If the angst over the nerf winds you up so much why'd you decide to come to a forum soley concerned with the nerf?... Ah, you get your kicks being the hardman of Monkdom... like "RAWR!" and stuff.
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Ummmm, posting in a thread titled "How many quit..." and bitching about people talking about why they quit seems to me to be a bit dumb.
Maybe you should go start a thread called "This didn't bother me..." and go post there.
Mal
</p>Edited by: <A HREF=http://pub35.ezboard.com/bmonklybusiness43508.showLocalUserPublicProfile?lo gin=malachai>Malachai</A> at: 10/21/02 1:26:08 pm
I quit my monk. Not entirely because of the nerf, but because of the "you deserved its" coming from alot of others. It was 10% nerf 90% other class MIS-conception / griefing / ignorance that made me turn from a monk.
Just going to play low level til Shadowbane comes out, then I'm done with EQ for good.
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A good point was made somewhere in this thread. Verrant will not care a whiff about those that stop playing their monks but still pay their accounts and go play something else. They will on the other hand be hurt if tons of people stop paying.
To all those that are truly quitting Eq well .. farewell, luck in futur game/endevors etc etc.
As for myself, no Im not quitting my monk.
Reason is quite simple. Im playing EQ for now, waiting for ShadowBane to come out. When ShadowBane comes out, EQ I will never play again. Nor an VI products either. Its really sad that Star Wars is done by Verrant, Ive noticed lots of players that like me arent going to that game caus its VI.
Until then, Im sticking around and having fun with the friends I have online, and Ill keep playing the monk caus its the class I like right now.
- Syrell -
Do, or do not. There is no try.
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Shimruel
10-22-2002, 11:09 AM
I had 2 accounts. I cancelled my secondary account in protest, and sent an email to 'eqmail@soe.sony.com' explaining my action, and listing the station name of the cancelled account for verification.
I'm keeping my primary account active for now, but may cancel that as well... I no longer trust VI... Plain and Simple!
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Well I had actually let my accounts drift into disuse and was contemplating cancelling before the nerf.
The nerf made my mind up for me I suppose.
I knew it was real when people like Xarnak and Vanuusus were quitting.
So long and thanks for 2 years of fun guys <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)">
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Take a look at the list of Necro nerfs in the last 3 years:
- DoT duration nerfed on kiting
- 49 pet max tuned from 69 -> 55
- charm removed
- AE lifetap IV (Majong Mistmore was casting it as NPC) got changed before it went life to DMM (dead man walking -> renamed to DMF later)
- dagger speed does not affect pet anymore
- FD nerf = mobs over lvl 35 remember people
- FD nerf = breaks after 2 minutes - got removed after 1 patch
- FD nerf = people stand up on LD - got removed after 1 patch
- FD nerf = charm breaks
- FD nerf = pet poofs after 2 minutes
- root/pet nerf = pet got minor proc in order to break root
- pet proc rate lowered
- certain mobs were made immune to fear (armor in WL for example)
- DC 75% exp nerf
Take a look at Monk nerfs:
-Damage Mitigation lowered
Hmmmm.
Deedrok Out.
Deedrok - 53 Necro
<a href="http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=234678" target="_blank">My
Gear</a>
Nezaaka - 19 Twink Monk (At least he doesn't have a Fungi!)
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I miss EQ a lot, but it was the only way to put a stop to some of the BS.
-Bakdraft
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SkyKungfu
10-23-2002, 11:27 AM
LoL Deedrok, so you think
- FD nerf = mobs over lvl 35 remember people
didnt hurt monks than? Guess that says all about your comparsion. But than again you missed at least one of the biggest necro nerfs as well, that the lifetap line was unresistable.
By the way I think most of this nerfs to necros sucked. I know also, MANY necros retired because of those nerfs. And, last not least, necros have been the most powerfull class ever long time ago, and have been hell of a fun to play. Necros dont still have a problem to solo 1 to 60, right?
And, last not least, I dont see how this proofs that the monk nerf was not wrong, so ...
Sky
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Yes, necros are one of the most nerfed classes in the game. They are also still one of the best, if not still the best, solo class. That is why I am playing my necro more now. They also never ever got feedback on any changes that were made from a game designer (hmmm sound familiar?) but finally now they do have someone who reads and responds on their home boards, and those players feel at least they are listened to *and responded to with more than just "we are listening" which gives no real feedback whatsoever*.
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Sky,
I'm not defending the NERF BAT at all, it destroyed my MAINS class for a year or so. I actually dislike this WHACK as well...simply because Monks have NEVER been overpowered. I saw them as being very balance from the get go.
I'm just comparing one classes nerfs to another. And that the few that STAY PLAYING will not regret it. One nerf, no matter how bad, can entirely RUIN a class.
Yes, we CAN still solo to 60, but we were very intended to be a solo class, and it debateable if Monks were ever intended to solo 1 to 60. Just a FYI, its not FUN to solo 1 to 60 lol!!!
Simply look at our spells, 1 good grouping spell pre level 55 (degeneration, not a good one at that lol!), most necro spells are self-only as well. Monks, without uber twinkage (aka Fungi, Tsaff, etc), would have a very hard time to solo to 60.
One of the reasons I like Monks is because they are cool in groups. I haven't group a LOT being only level 19, but my MAIN has grouped with them. Deedrok DUO'd with a 60 Monk in Sebilis, and we held the entire exit camp. Not an UBERLY hard camp to hold, but impressive none the less. Monks DPS are amazing, simply amazing.
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SkyKungfu
10-23-2002, 05:13 PM
Hehe yea, Necro and Monk can nicely duo, my son got a lvl 52 necro, and before he retired we did this a while. Just as a side note, tehre where times it wasnt even sure that I could beat his pet <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/glasses.gif ALT="8)">
Sky
PS: Beeing able to solo doesnt mean that you have to do it 100% of the time =)
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HI
i retired my 56 shaman, my 54 necro, my 51 monk, 43 sk, 35 druid and 35 mage bout 7 months ago when i started playing daoc.
there i play a friar and a couple of others.
i was thinking bout coming back to eq but now i think i will just let the remainder of the paid for time expire as i don't have the heart to delete my guys.
for me it wasn't just the latest monk nerf but all the nerfs for my classes together.
one thing i am proud of is i never stooped to create one of the holy trinity characters.
Ahchu
Tunare
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Raemius
10-23-2002, 06:15 PM
I quit my main monk acct and my alt account.
I refuse to support Verant ever again, they have proven to me with out a doubt that they are the most irresponsive and hopelessly flawed company on the face of the earth.
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I stopped at 3 blues from 60 LOL. I saw the destruction that was laid against me in ME and I was stunned. Again, I am not uber at all 1090 ac 2300 hp. I decided to go back to my first Char. I dusted off my 54 mage and I have really enjoyed him this past week. Over the past year Mages have been getting better, and I figured that I can tank no better than my pet so why not. Jobober has 800 more hp and a much better regen , lol..plus I missed my mage ...My monky was starting to wear on me.
I havn't quit, I've just traded places.
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I'm done. I got hit by all the nerfs on this one, and frankly I was looking for a reason to come back and play. This nerf (especially on my monk.. my favorite character) gave me a good reason not to.
Cancelled all 3 of my accounts.
57 Monk
56 Cleric
56 Wizard
Signing off
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All you guys quiting are putting some nice stuff to waste... =P
*cough* hint *cough*
Thanks,
Cheek <Poor Weak Newb Monkey>
11 Human Monk
Scape Ghoat <Brellian Defenders>
33 Halfling Rogue
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I canceled my monk account. Level 57 monk with 2 yellow into the level. Got my arse handed to me by level 42 whelp in Chardok after nerf. That was just too much.
I never soloed. I made my Monk to tank for druid and chanter but after nerf, Monk was just dead weight. We all started our characters on the same day and we played together for two years.
Nice gear too! Fungi, RGB, SOS, Grey arms, etc. Gear goes with monk into /dev/null.
-Fysts (CT)
PS I play my necro now. High level necros RULE EQ. Best class in the game with 70% slow undead!
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I am very very close to quitting, unless i hear from my friends that PoP is just simply amazing best expansion yet by far blah blah blah. It is almost certain I will quit. I have canceled the accounts already but not sure what i plan to do with em, ie give the stuff away or sell it and split the palt between my friends.
As for my reasoning:
1. Class unplayable? My situation with college means I have to solo if I want to play, so yes unplayable
2. Time college is eating up a lot of my time since I am actually working at it now.
3. I am sick of Verant especially since this was such a huge nerf with no response at all when the pallys get a response almost immediately.
4. Leveling is getting old i am 57 right now and i have zero motivation to hit 58 let alone 60
5. Our guild is kind of dissolving atm since no one is really taking the time to show up at raids since we have been doing HoT for like the last 6 months so about half our 60s left.
6. My friends have also started quitting
7. I am sure there are other reasons just can't think of them.
Any suggestions on new games? (this has pretty much been my only game for 2 years) (talking anything like sports games, mmporgs, starcraft or warcraft type things, first person shooters etc etc)
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I have quit EQ. I am sick and tired of all this "balance" crap. After 2 years of playing, VI decides to do this?? I guess VI thinks its worth losing a few hundred accounts.
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i have posted before that i think verant did this only because there are to many monks playing and they expect to lose some monks over it. they mostly expect that you will go play an alt and keeping paying them. when they had this problem with the druids they did the same thing and enough left that it cleared the deck of alot of alts and about a year later they "balanced" them back up and there fine now. just wonder what the results will be this time?
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I love this, our own are making light of something that effected all of us. Hey, maybe they have superior gear and didn't feel it, maybe they run with a support group all the time, maybe they dont feel it, but some of us do. It's all very very easy to make fun of, and light of anything that doesn't effect you. Well, thank you for your understanding brothers and sisters, thanks so much.............
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Quit 4 weeks ago - although not entirely related to the nerf, it was a factor - I had advance warning it was coming.
--Cen
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Sorry, but necros, cry me a river. My roommate plays a "nerfed" necro, and he can solo mobs that I have to FD from just if I see their shadow. None of the necro nerfs so altered the class that they had to totally change the way they played. Not just a tweak that required you to cast a spell more times than before, or keep a better eye on your pet, or be a little more wary and cautious about what and where you hunt. The monk nerf totally revamped the class, and ruined the style of play that thousands of players had developed over the past 3 years. Verant should refund the accounts of all the players who have monk mains, since the used a blatent bait and switch of the product they were selling.
Trying to compare the impact of each change simply by lining them up and seeing which is longer is pointless: necros were always overpowered compared to most other classes when it comes to soloing, monks were not.
Alerithon Fatetwined
drunk monk
metal bender
tanner
Husband to Emmoney
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I cancelled my accounts. I 'may' start playin' again if somethin' big happens for us, but if not they'll stay cancelled. We were overpowered? LOL. Shamans bein' able to solo a Jugg in Seb is overpowered. Druids bein' able to solo the mobs that drop their Elysian armor is overpowered. Necros bein' able to solo dragons is overpowered. Chanters bein' able to DC somethin' that FAR outdamages my 55 epic monk in the first place, and then SoS it, is overpowered. Druids and Wizards bein' able to kill 4 DB mobs at once for xp when I can't take one of 'em solo is overpowered. Me bein' able to solo a DB mob (maybe), and then bandage and mend up to full to go again is hardly overpowered. Just because monks were at the absolute bottom of the solo food-chain, and the couple classes that weren't even on the chain didn't like it, we got nuked.
Mal
PS: It's not just the monk nerf that's got me hoppin', I have a whack of other toons as well, including a 45 necro, a 43 cleric, 39 ranger, and high 20's / low 30's bard, druid, warrior, wizard. It's the whole idea of workin' on somethin' in good faith and then havin' the rules changed 3 years after the fact that's the main reason for me hitting the 'End Billing" button.
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It is simple. Too many monks that are not group friendly breaks the group rule that verant needs.
Verant breaks the monk class for a while to reduce the number of monks and we switch to other classes. We switch to alts. The funny thing is that I switched to another game and I HOPE EVERYBODY DOES THAT.
Isnt it nice to be a rat in an experiment?
-Fysts (average stuff on a 57 monk)
PS remember verant nerfed druid DOTs (if MOB is moving it gets 30% dmg) but then when druid population was reduced to acceptable levels they returned it.
PSS Monks will be returned to normal levels in 6 months if Verant gets what they want. Nice to be an addict isn't it.
PSSS do you like being manipulated by Verant in this way?
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PSS Monks will be returned to normal levels in 6 months if Verant gets what they want. Nice to be an addict isn't it.
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There's just over half as many Monks playing as Druids or Warriors.... what's to reduce?
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I long to know its feelings.
It demurs. Lunch, then."
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>There's just over half as many Monks playing
>as Druids or Warriors.... what's to reduce?
I am not sure where you got those numbers?
Druids are not an issue. They are not melee.
Warriors? SK? Paladins? Rangers?
Just believe me. Verant is trashing up monk class to make us change to other melee classes. Verant did it with druids and necros, now monks get their turn.
In 6 months, we will get back tank ability if class numbers return to "acceptable" levels.
-Fysts (average stuff on a 57 human monk)
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some of you wimpy ass monks need to toughen up. Oh they nerfed monks, I'm gonna quit. Puleezzzzz, just live with it, it ain't that bad and I tank in UP all the time. My ac is around 1100 buffed. I'm happy for all you monks that lived with this nerf and pressed on and adapted to this.
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In the past, I used my shaman to PL my monk. Now I go to zones where my monk can still tank (KC? velks?) and use him to PL my shaman. I guess my shaman is now my main and not my monk, which is a switch. My hatred of VI is such that I have not yet bought PoP, nor will I ever buy any product from them ever again. Yet, I still haven't cancelled my accounts, so I'm still supporting the bastards, grrrrr.
I'm really looking forward to when EQ dies and someday there's a $15 copy of EQ: Personal Edition that you can run on your own server, play with your friends, and play however you want. Ah, to dream...
Peace.
Sagal
Grandmaster
Keepers of the Circle
Ayonae Ro
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Cancelled my 2 accounts tonight..
I'm not "mad as hell and not gonna take it any longer" or anything. It's just been a while since I've even logged on and I saw no sense in paying the monthly fee any longer.. Playing other games while waiting for SB and Eve Online to come out.
My leaving is only partly due to the nerf-monks spree of late, and partly due to just being ready to move on after 3.5 years of playing. The game is getting very stale.
Its getting more and more obvious to me that SOE is desparate to just keep people playing til SWG and/or EQ2 are released. SOE will never see another red cent of my money and with any hope none of my friends either. They have a complete lack of interest or respect for the average casual gamers. There are a lot of MMOGs out there or coming out soon, and I think as the market matures the emphasis on level/loot treadmills will decline.
--
Stonetooth Sleestak
60 Iksar Monk
Druzzil Ro
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I quitted
Yes, its only a game.
Games are defined by rules. If you change the rules, in the middle of a game its considered cheating.
Why would I ever want to play with a cheater?
The problem isn't the rules most of the time, it's not know what the rules will be tommorow.
"What happened to adapt and overcome?"
I guess you could say that moving on to other forms of entertainment is a form of adapting to the nerfs.
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Manual Labor
57 Monk - Fennin Ro
In stasis for the time being.
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I've cancelled my three accounts. Like many, it's not what has been done - it's a complete unwillingness on my part to put any more large amounts of time into something that may completely change overnight. Time is the most expensive investment we make.
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worldofwar.net
pre-orders bein taken now, AND ITS NOT a "lets make em play for 3 years and change the rules" mmrpg game! will i ever play a verant agin .....
HAHHAHAHhahahHAHAHAH AHhhAHHHA ... gasp ...couph HAH hahaha ha wheeze..... thud.
diemond r
VERANT, i have found you .........lacking
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</p>Edited by: <A HREF=http://pub35.ezboard.com/bmonklybusiness43508.showUserPublicProfile?gid=tal lonzek60rogue>TallonZek60rogue</A> at: 11/3/02 8:47:01 pm
Sony lost both my accounts.
I didn't play much the past several months but the recent reduction of monk abilities assured me I'll never bother logging in again.
Brother Chuy, Solusek Ro
Scarlet Horizon
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I am closing one of my two accounts.
No sense is wasting time and effort on a monk anymore.
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Two accounts cancelled.
Sig below updated. Duoing with my cleric is too hard now, so no more cleric.
Syke (http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=3700), Guild <a href=http://www.phank.com>Phank</a> of Druzzil Ro</p>
Cancelled one account but leaving the other open for now to chat with friends and maybe do some PLing with my shaman for brother.
Didn't really cancel it for a protest move, game just isn't as much fun any more.
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Retired my monk from play, I don't see the point in the class. Being 2nd best melee DPS (albeit trounced by archers, wizards and probably even pet classes) while being the worst tank with shit gear choices isn't what I signed up for.
I'd like to make a rogue, but I don't think I have the energy to level up another melee. Besides, the caster classes are looking awfully tempting at the moment.
Shinrai, Monk of the Lost Circle.
A proud member of Southern Armada
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I've left the class. I was Brother Mukanil Sulimo, maybe some of you have seen me post here. /shrug
Anyway, I'm a bard now. =)
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