In light of recent events will you be playing SWG [Archive]

10-23-2002, 04:43 AM

I wont be playing swg for ONE simple fact.

Id HATE to see the wonderful world Lucas created runied by Verant. If anything could make me hate Star Wars it would be to play my "whatnot character" for 2 years, only to have him nerfed beyond playability.

A character i spent soo much time in, just got shot to pieces. I dont want to play a game where the rules are altered as the game goes on. Sure tweak em a lil if needed, but i didnt see any need for the total obliteration of em. (but then again ive never had ac over 1040, so i wouldnt know what happens if you hit 1500 ac and 4500 hp.)

I love Star Wars too much to risk that happening.

If someone else was developing it, id most certainly buy it! I LOVE Star Wars!

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(off topic; I have no problem with the way the monkey works now.... IF it would have been that way from the start!... Had i known what was going to happen, I would have chosen another class... Too late for that now. Unless Verant issues a class refund i.e. I can trade my lvl 60 monkey for a lvl 60 class of my choice. Gear excluded, I can sell what I have on my monkey to outfit the new class... Not that I ever see that happening tho. What Verant did wasnt just nerf the monkey, they outright disrespected the players playing monkeys. I will not tolerate that sort of disrespect from them in SWG, hence im not buying it)

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10-23-2002, 05:28 AM

I was looking forward to playing SWG, now I'm not so sure. I am currently having a ball with Earth & Beyond. I may stick with that.

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10-23-2002, 05:29 AM

No, no, no. No more VI products for me thanks very much. No SW:G, no EQ2.

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10-23-2002, 06:11 AM

Fek me once shame on you, Fek me twice shame on ME !

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10-23-2002, 07:04 AM

Not buying ANY other products with VI/SOE involved. Period.

It's a shame really, since I love Star Wars.

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SkyKungfu

10-23-2002, 07:05 AM

Would have loved to play SWG, but its a Verant game, so no way. Wont play another VI / SOE game ever.

Sky

10-23-2002, 07:49 AM

I probably won't ever be stupid enough to play another MMORPG.. if I am though, it definitely will not be something that VI/Sony are somehow involved in, even indirectly.

10-23-2002, 08:06 AM

Never playing another Verant game, period. I don't care if it ends up being game of the year 5 years running.

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10-23-2002, 08:26 AM

Just the idea that some RP will serve the "SWG vision" or the "sorry we got to nerf sabres" is repulsive.

10-23-2002, 09:08 AM

i won't play SWG or EQ2 or any VI product actually. I am looking forward to Shadowbane though. I just hope it doesn't disappoint like Anarchy Online and Dark Age of Camelot did.

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10-23-2002, 09:22 AM

Looking forward to Worlds of Warcraft... blizzard always seems to make quality products.

Cancelled my account on EQ last night =) The way some of you talk it sounds like you should too. Happy sidenote: soooo much free space on my harddrive now.

Fendryl Istalindir

10-23-2002, 09:24 AM

You guys do realize that about the only thing the Austin (SWG) team & the San Diego (EQLive) teams have in common is where they get their paychecks?

Writing off SWG because of EQ changes, is akin to writing off Q3A because of changes in Tony Hawk Pro Skater because both games are published by Activision. The SWG is heavily populated with ex UO/Origin people, in fact the only EQ member on the team that I can recall is Ryan Palacio.

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10-23-2002, 09:39 AM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>You guys do realize that about the only thing the Austin (SWG) team & the San Diego (EQLive) teams have in common is where they get their paychecks?<hr></blockquote>

Oh sure, but I can be very unreasonable -- I'll avoid buying any other Sony products as well just because they're affiliated with EQ.

Swilv.

10-23-2002, 10:10 AM

No chance whatsoever of me buying anymore Verant products- and this includes PooP. I've discovered that post-nerf I can tank very adequately on slowed mobs in kunark, but if I had to in velious/luclin (and I assume PooP) I'm ganna get pounded.

Is my class wrecked? No. Is the game less fun? Yes. Will I ever support them again? Never.

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Fendryl Istalindir

10-23-2002, 10:14 AM

> Oh sure, but I can be very unreasonable -- I'll avoid buying any other Sony products as well just because they're affiliated with EQ.

I can understand & respect not buying affliated products out of disdain; it's the people that seem to think that the decision makers from EQLive have any input on SWG or any other product that make me chuckle.

Kurrlee

10-23-2002, 10:30 AM

Not a chance in hell.

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10-23-2002, 10:31 AM

Two "things" that can guarantee putting me off an MMORPG are "Verant" and "Raph Koster". Koster is the idiot who made Ultima Online the debacle it was. The two of them together is the unholy alliance of hell.

But I love the idea of MMORPG and I love Star Wars. SWG is so very, very tempting.

Conlain Papertiger

10-23-2002, 10:52 AM

I will not play another VI or SOE game. I have cancelled my account, bought a Gamecube and XBox instead of a PS2, and do not plan on using any Sony products in the future.

And I feel that you are deluding yourself if you think that Sony touch will not be all over SWG despite the non-VI developers.

10-23-2002, 10:53 AM

Given there will be too much teenagers screaming, cheating and the usual starwars wanabee ... I don't think there will be a good community in the SWG game.

Anyway, It will be a succesfull game as you are assured profit with a star wars license.

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10-23-2002, 11:00 AM

The only possible saving grace with SWG is Lucas Arts (may not be exact company name) is retaining some control over the game. Can only hope that they will not allow the same crap to happen on a game they are involved in.

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Beowolfe

10-23-2002, 11:11 AM

NO other Sony games, this is it. If nothing changes, I will quit. Not saying others should quit, to each their own. My experience is that the game has suddenly lost its luster. I labored to earn 28 AA pts and the advantage I had finally gained was lost it one fell swoop. Regardless of the actual parsed difference, whatever it may be, I am not as excited about playing my character. Less time playing makes the expense factor greater. Maybe I will head back to playing real time strategies or half life.

10-23-2002, 11:56 AM

I won’t be playing another VI game. It’s the mindset that’s the issue and that will follow to other games.

Drop everybody to the lowest common denominator, fluid rules, and lack of forethought in what they do.

If your totally left brained and a bit slow on the uptake you MIGHT not realize SOW could be used in combat, FD could be used to split MOB’s, or that Donald’s BP with a complete heal couldn’t be used as a giant screw.

It’s the mentality, “I didn’t know you could do that with this item…quick lets change it so it only does what we intended, and again, and again”. lack of planning on their part has caused more problems than not. They have a “VISION” of how things should be done, how people should play…they get pissey when you don’t do things they way they expected and punish you for any outside the box thinking.

This is NOT a good thing with a bunch of creative people trying to have fun. This will be even worse mindset to have for SWG.

Won’t do it, no way no how. Nothing with even the smell of VI on it will I buy again.

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10-23-2002, 12:51 PM

Because of my Guild, and the relationships I've formed in EQ, and the fact that when Raiding I can still get by, I decided not to quit EQ. That said, when my current Guild dissolves its EQ chapter, or my current in game friends leave, I will kiss EQ goodbye.

However, even though I'm a bigger science fiction affecionado, and was interested in SWG; because a corporation's attitude flows down from the top, I will not give VI or Sony more of my money, and will not purchase SWG or EQ2. I got hooked, pulled in, and thuroghly screwed over after 3 years of time invested. I REFUSE to let that company do it to me in another of their on-line cluster f**ks.

Personally, I'm looking forward to 'City of Heros', and I'm sure in a few more years, someone will come up with a Science Fiction MMORPG similar to SWG. I can wait. At this point for me, EQ is on the ropes, and while I still enjoy adventuring in it with friends, the desire to play for advancement, or get better 'phat lewt' has greatly diminished (I planned my upgrades and worked toward them for over a year, only to have the effectiveness nerfed to hell); so it's now a question of maintaining a level of gear that keeps me effective on Raids (soloing has been nerfed to make it effectively undoable at my level); and that's pretty easy to do.

I won't be slobbering over any of the new PoP gear, because I raelize that with VI's current attitude, if I did get enough top make the game a lot of fun for me again, it probably means yet another Nerf is incoming.

VI's NEW Vision seems to be: You're not supposed to have fun, and be able to accomplish something in a couple of hours, that would mean you have a LIFE outside of the game. If we can't make it so you have to play at least 8 hours a session to make meaningful advancement, or get killed and spend an hour on CR every session, we're not doing our job. This is what we call CHALLENGING (if you have some fun, okay, but that not our goal for you). EQ should be your life (until SWG and EQ2 hit, then you're allowed to have multiple lives).

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10-23-2002, 12:55 PM

Stop playing for a while...go for a walk. Read a book. Love your children. If you already do these things...and must have an RPG online...try Earth and Beyond. Free fall is fun. And there are no orcs in space.

10-23-2002, 12:59 PM

Yes, Verent in CA and TX are different people working on different games... BUT, they are both under a parent division (Verent) and a parent company (Sony) who has allowed them to disrespect me.

The great thing about our economy is that if I feel I am being mistreated by a service provider, I can take my money elsewhere. Guess what? That's what I did. Earth and Beyond is pretty cool.

10-23-2002, 01:02 PM

I quit playing EQ before most of this crap hit, and so I'm not quite as bitter about my experience as a lot of folks are. When I do a "fun had" vs. "irritation felt" comparison with EQ, I have to admit that I still had a lot of fun in the game, on balance.

Playing AO now and enjoying it, but SWG looks very intriguing. I may wait a bit before I buy it, but I know myself well enough to realize I'll probably have to give it a try.

Shimruel

10-23-2002, 01:03 PM

I will never ever again support anything that Verant is involved in. They have screwed me over for the last time!

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10-23-2002, 01:12 PM

I include Sony consumer electronics on my do not buy list also.

Raemius

10-23-2002, 06:31 PM

Nope nope nope, Not buying another damn verant product, no SWG, No POP, no ANYTHING. I'm seriously considering never buying a sony product again either.

The amount of my disgust can not be measured.

SilentRain

10-23-2002, 07:40 PM

I completely agree with all of you who stated you will no longer have anything to do with VI and/or Sony. I feel just like that. I am _seriously_ considering not buying a PS2. I really want to b/c I love final fantasy. I may just play through a friend.

I left just a bit before this nerf hit. I think I left just in time to have fond memories. I was still very mad at VI and SOE when I left (the whole CS thing) and if I had stayed this would have done it. It's a shame b/c I did have fun but I can have fun elsewhere, and my money can be better spent.

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10-23-2002, 08:22 PM

I doubt SWG, really looking forward to Shadowbane

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10-23-2002, 08:32 PM

I was planning on playing SWG before, and i am still going to play it now. I dont think VI will mess up SWG like they did EQ ... i think they have enough exp not to. They just changed the game to how they wanted it to be, it just got out of hand, and they fixed it. Another main reason is because i have about 20-30 RL friends that are going to be playing the game, and playing a game with that many people you know should be fun as hell.

Besides if i dont like it, i can just stop playing it. From what i read i do not think i will be dissapointed at all.

10-24-2002, 01:14 AM

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10-24-2002, 02:20 AM

Yeah Verant has pissed me off with this recent change, and then all the nerfs over the past two years.

As for my reasoning:

1. Class unplayable? My situation with college means I have to solo if I want to play, so yes unplayable

2. Time college is eating up a lot of my time since I am actually working at it now.

3. I am sick of Verant especially since this was such a huge nerf with no response at all when the pallys get a response almost immediately.

4. Leveling is getting old i am 57 right now and i have zero motivation to hit 58 let alone 60

5. Our guild is kind of dissolving atm since no one is really taking the time to show up at raids since we have been doing HoT for like the last 6 months so about half our 60s left.

6. My friends have also started quitting

7. I am sure there are other reasons just can't think of them.

SWG I won't play it until i hear very good things about it, if at all because MMPORGS eat a TON of time up.

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10-26-2002, 04:43 AM

I know it was said before, but people seem to keep saying they won't play because VI is the developer. If you have read the FAQs and a lot of the Dev posts on the SWG site it says nothing about Verant being a developer(except for whatever artist/programmer/etc. is part of the team.) And in a lot of their posts they have pretty much said that they realize how badly VI has treated it's customers and they are learning from those mistakes that VI made.

You know Sony really doesn't have a lot to do with whatever happens in the game, all they are is the publisher, they just basically have their name on the box, host the servers maybe, and whatever else.

I was planning on playing SWG and still plan on it. It looks like it can be great and it looks like Lucasarts can learn from the mistakes VI has made and make a great game.

Oh and also about the "the whole environment will be full of teenagers" or something to that effect. I have met a lot of teenage players and a lot of "adult" players. The immaturity seems to not be affected too much by the age.

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Wubao

10-26-2002, 05:10 AM

The couldn't POSSIBLY nerf DROIDS could they?

I mean COULD they?

Artoo where are you?

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Wu

10-26-2002, 06:54 AM

A totally different team of people on it even if they do have the VI name attached. So, I'll be giving it a go but at the first sign of EQism I'm gone. I don't have time for the timesinks and nerfs that EQ became.

Kaaine1492

10-26-2002, 10:44 AM

What the pisser is I spent over 2 years developing this char to have the work set back to lvl 55 equivlent. No, I will not buy EQ2 and SWG. There are a lot of other games to play.

They may be just as bad, but I know this company has no problem stealing two years.

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10-26-2002, 11:36 AM

No I dont expect Ill be playing it.

The fact that I can pump this much time into my monk, only to be gimped by things beyond my control is to frustrating.

I sit here really flustered that VI or SOE whoever can just ignore us after nerfing us to hard. They are so rude that I'm beyond contempt.

However, for the time being since I use their infrastructure to hang with my online friends they remain a part of my life.

When EQ life is over, so ends my MMORPG career. It's harder to let go then I thought and I am surprised at how personally insulted I am by what they did to my online persona, the feelings for him run deeper than I thought. Thanks VI for not giving a shit and re-opening my eyes.

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Vaaprak

10-26-2002, 02:43 PM

No way in hell!

Wouldn't have bothered with another VI game even before this latest nerf. I'm still pissed from the previous two FD nerfs.

10-27-2002, 09:19 AM

Not a chance that I will EVER play another VI game again. I had 2 accounts from day 1 of the game until the recent monk nerf, sat thru kiting nerfs that hurt the shaman class (my main then) to necro pet nerfs that KILLED that class (my main until Kunark) to the death of solo exp with a monk thru the last 3 nerfs, ruining my "casual player" fun with a monk.

Verant has no problem changing the formula so late into the game, without any reimbursement for the time you wasted on a now defunct character vision. I have lack of willpower to deny ever giving them a dollar again.

Face it, EQ was and is the best MMORPG out there due to its heavy content, but Verants nerf policy destroys it as fast as they can add the content that makes it better than the others, leaving an overall bad taste in people's mouths. They dont understand the time people put into their characters, and have no policy to reimburse it thru changing skillpoints or any reimbursement system at all (dont tell me about the AA reimbursement, I had already quit after waiting for my regen AA back for 3 months, which they only gave us due to the casting classes anyway).

DAOC knows this, other games know it, and in the end once their content catches EQ there wont be a soul left playing this steaming pile of dung. The gap between Verant's quality and the other games is closing (wont be many more AOs coming out I'd wager), if you work for VI I'd start FUCKING LISTENING, or start sending out resumes. No company can piss off this many customers over and over and continue to make money.

10-27-2002, 11:26 AM

when i quit this one , im will NEVER play a vi game again.you cannot trust them to screw your game up like they did this one

10-27-2002, 01:33 PM

No way in hell I'm gonna play SWG now. I had planned on trying it out...but I'm sick of VI/SOE.

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10-27-2002, 01:45 PM

I dunno.. might go to WWIIOL or Shadowbane if they dont fix this damage mitigation BS

10-27-2002, 05:14 PM

Star wars is a movie.. Every star wars game I've ever seen is full wanna be Jedi's, Leia's and Han's. No thanks.....

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10-27-2002, 05:51 PM

Are you serious?

I will not be playing any other Verant designed games for some time to come. Once I kick this EQ habit I will be done with Verants products for good. As a red server player I've watched Verant constantly ignore the concerns of PvP players for years. The only reason I haven't left yet is that there isn't another MOG with a good look and a designed PvP game yet.

Looking forward to Worlds of Warcraft though. Blizzard has a habit of making there games epic, fun as well as easy to play and advance with. The day it comes out I maybe ebaying a +60 red server monk.

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Sullon Zek

10-28-2002, 04:44 PM

Well I have been anticipating the release of SWG for over a year now and still am. In fact the more the dev team of EQ screws up the easier it will be for me to leave and go to SWG.

As far as concerns about Verant screwing up SWG the way they are EQ well we will see. I certainly hope that the managment of SWG doesnt go the same way it is with EQ. That would be an extreme shame.

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10-31-2002, 08:56 AM

Gah! look at the information folks! SWG IS NOT BEING DESIGNED BY BRAD MCQUAID! Most of the dev team hasn't even touched EQ's code. Some of them are fresh recruits from the collapse of UO2 (OWO:O), and the game design reflects that.

Some are vets from UO, which was the greatest game ever.

So far SWG looks like an awesome successor to UO from a design point of view. Not the treadmill type that EQ started.

The basic core design of gameplay, economy, and advancement system of SWG is virtually identicle to that of UO 2. That's a good thing.

SWG will have its idiots, as EQ does, that's no reason to stay clear of the game i hope.

On top of that, SWG won't have the phat lewt/xp treadmill element that many are addicted to in EQ. I'm pretty sure many of EQ's current players will go back to EQ.

Anyways, just because Verant (Sony) is supplying the funds, and Lucasarts is giving the lisence (art, sounds, music too?), it doesn't mean SWG will have the same problems as EQ does, or even have any significant relation to the dev process of EQ.

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10-31-2002, 08:58 AM

No to EQ2 No to SWG. VI can stick it. I'm sick of their BS.

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10-31-2002, 10:24 AM

I have been a big star wars fan for a LONG time.

I was actually looking forward to playing it.

I am not sure whether I will or will not buy SWG.

If I do decide to play and they start nerfing the s h i t out of classes I am gonna hit that cancel button faster then the load shot by a 15 year old virgin getting his first piece of ass.

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Ssawsage

10-31-2002, 10:40 AM

Actually, i'm really interested in City of Heroes. www.cityofheroes.com Looks way cool. I'd love to play a big dumb superstrong guy (an ogre pretty much) with some killer tights.

Or Iron man. He wuz always cool.

Ssawsage Biskitt

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10-31-2002, 10:49 AM

Nope.

Knomh

10-31-2002, 01:28 PM

Absolutely not. Cancelled my account, will never spend another dime on a Sony, Verant or SOE product again. Will give Shadowbane a look-see, when and if.

Zekizutu

10-31-2002, 02:21 PM

I have, for a long time, believed that VI/Sony has someone hired to follow me around, find what I'm enjoying, and nerf it. After all, I'm what they hate -- a casual player who has to solo most of the time (real life, and all)...

I started life with a Cleric (Mid 1999). I found this class to be boring and tedious -- and, at the time, there were no rezzes of any sort until 39. The cleric was retired and subsequently deleted.

In response to that, I started a Necro. DoTs were nerfed almost immediately. Then, not to shortly thereafter came the big pet nerf. Semi-Retired...

Started a druid. Leveled very quickly, was generally fun to play, but got boring after a while. Set druid aside for purposes of porting and some PLing. Leveled occasionally, when the spirit moved me.

Started a monk. Moderate twinking applied, and some PLing from my druid to get through the low levels. WOW! This is really fun! Got my monk to 46 via some PLing, Soloing, and grouping. All of it was wonderfully fun. The monk was very much targeted to become my new main. I was really liking this...

Then came the nerf... And then another...

After the mitigation nerf, my monk's effectiveness dropped through the floor. Mobs that were dead with me only taking a bubble of damage before were leaving me with only 2 bubbles left when they died. Mobs that used to take me down to about 2 bubbles before, now require me to mend, FD/Bind, try some more, FD out (or ranger gate). All this, and not a word from SOE about the fact that the patch did the exact opposite of what they claimed it would do... Monk is now retired.

Its that guy following me around.. I swear it... As revenge, I've started a warrior... lol

But, to answer the question...

NO!

I'm not as keen on Sci-fi RPG's as I am fantasy, anyway. The fact that the overriding philosophy from the highest levels of management will likely be the same as EQ, I will not put myself through this again. Same holds true for EQ2.

This whole monknerf has left a very sour taste in my mouth. The wind has gone out of my EQ sails...

10-31-2002, 03:25 PM

Before the last couple of months' worth of nerfing, I probably would have said that I'd be playing SWG as my next MMORPG. Side bar -- do NOT forget the resist changes when talking about monk nerfs, since the resist changes affected pure-melee soloing (uh, who was that again?) classes the most.

I'm not so unreasonable that I'll refuse to play SWG if it's the best game in town, but now Verant/Sony has convinced me that I should thoroughly examine my other options before settling on SWG. Earth and Beyond looks interesting, as does Shadowbane, World of Warcraft, and Asheron's Call II. I really like the idea of a dynamic world model. From what I've read, even in the current Asheron's Call, you can log in one day, and one of the major cities might just be a smoking pile of ruin. That's flat-out cool.

I think that Microsoft is going to keep pulling out all of the stops to make its MMORPG world better than EQ, in an attempt to overcome EQ's better market momentum. Maybe because they're not at the top of the heap, they'll care more about customer service. Maybe one of the other MMORPG underdogs will feel likewise.

Customer service is actually the biggest complaint I have in all of this. Balancing classes is a noble motive. Balancing classes like an idiot who knows nothing about the game, then not responding to customer complaints about it is frustrating beyond belief.

Plus, it's more than just about the nerfing and the Verant's lack of reaction to our complaints. It's about the fact that the quality assurance team (if they have one) doesn't seem to test anything. I can't keep the game running more than about 7 hours straight without crashing while zoning. The bazaar interface, though serviceable, was obviously designed by people who know nothing of UI do's and don'ts.

How many years of patching must Verant do before one of their people thinks, "Hey, it would be nice if while we were patching that users received an informative message about what's happening."? How hard is it for them to get the server status messages on their web site correct?

The list could go on and on why I just don't think that Verant/Sony takes the time to polish their software to the level that we paying customers deserve. Instead, they're more interested in marching us forward with increasing monthly fees, and overpriced (because they're not polished) expansions.

EQ is number 1 in the MMORPG universe, we're already addicted, and they know it, so they think that it's okay to treat us like crap. That's fine, because some hungry company eager to capitalize on EQ's mistakes will come around to snap up their customers. I plan to give one of those eager company's my attention long enough to see if they can do better.

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10-31-2002, 05:34 PM

I'm reading this thread and something made me think...

This is a thread that Verant and someone at Sony is paying closer attention to. I may have missed a thread like this but this one is a tad different, this has to do with the future...not the past...

The future they have created by their actions. I think many people are going to look at this (not the nerf per say) and see how that even with the MOST amazing business model that I have seen in my years will have failed because they forgot the most important thing, the customer.

They some how don't see that...but we do and we're expressing that in the only way we know how. Taking our money away. A little here a little there...but we're also doing something different. We're affecting their FUTURE incomes, I think that's entirely something that they haven't given much thought.

I was looking forward to SWG, but do you think I'm going to buy this game or EQ2 now ? No thank you.

I will take my money elsewhere...yes I'm one person now.. but I know many people that know how I feel and maybe 5 of them will eventually leave...and maybe they will let their friend know how they feel...doesn't take a rocket scientist to see where this is leading.

my 2c worth..