I CAN Tank for Exp Groups

My fellow monks:



Just my 2CP's as I see them.



Okay I am sure that I will get flamed by alot of people for this,... I am not the most Uber of monks but my gear is above average and I am level 55. I can tank in a DUO at the Katta Bank against Blue guards all day long and not run my healer(55 Druid) OOM. If I get a shammy buddy to go along, then I don't have to heal at all as long as I keep Regrowth going.



I understand that our soloing ability is pretty much gone, I tried to do it solo just to test, but as far exp group tanking, I can tank Katta guards, I tanked mobs on the second floor of Hate when our Warriors were gone afk on a break and we had some weird pops in camp,...



Anyhow that is just my obsevations as I see them.



Here is a link to my Gear as well www.magelo.com/eq_view_pr...num=202074 (http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=202074)


Rukekak Thunderclaw 55th Iksar Master, Soulbound Mith Marr, Haganwood Soulsaver 55th Preserver, Soulbound Mith Marr</p>

Great, maybe they will nerf us some more.



Thanks for nothing Verant,



Valdor


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My point was only that to me, the nerf wasn't all that bad, yes it sucks that we cannot solo anymore for the most part but go grab yourself a Shammy Buddy and you are set to get some Kick Arse Exp... Slow + Haste = EVIL combo


Rukekak Thunderclaw 55th Iksar Master, Soulbound Mith Marr, Haganwood Soulsaver 55th Preserver, Soulbound Mith Marr</p>

So now I need another class in order to be as effective before? Awesome, great, keep the nerfs coming. We do too much damage as is, better drop us off the monk table and let us hit like bards, woot.






Sagal


Grandmaster


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Nerf FD too. What the hell do I need it for?



Just have me fall to the ground with my butt in the air for convienient penetration.



Thanks for nothing Verant.



Valdor


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[SkyKungfu]

LoL, great, so with slow and heal we still can tank ! WOO HOO.



Sky



PS: Casters might be able to do that as well? Bah dont be that negative, enjoy <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/glasses.gif ALT="8)">


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<blockquote>Quote:<hr>I can still tank just fine. Hell, I can tank better than I used to be able to.



Ignore that shaman and druid standing behind me please.<hr></blockquote>



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A few things.



I have those stats and I am human monk level 60. Yet I also have epic. rest of my equipment is comparable. But at least I have much better resist than you. But in my tanking gear, we are comparable.



I think its funny you managed to take a screenshot of you being completely full of exp in 55. Why not get 56 then take a screenshot?



Those mobs you speak off are level 44-45. They do con blue to you, but a freaking druid can tank them. Tried umbral plain lately?



I sure did yesterday! Really sweet getting hit for 200 by moktors! Go me!



In resume:



Saying you can tank a level 44-45 mob at level 56 is not and accomplishment, its not even something to be proud of.



Your not TOV equipped, but your not L guk equipped either.



Being happy you can tank with a shammy to slow deserves a runner up at the moron of the year award.



I would like for every moronic monks and especially plate wearers that no, we dont appreciate the nerf, what REALLY ticks the huge majority of us ius being nerf considering the hypocricy on how verant did it and how they reacted to similar nerfs to different classes around us.



I dont think anybody here could give a rats behind if you can tank gimp mobs with your druid partner and a shammy to slow. What we dont appreciate is being nerfed withouth being told why. Or should I say, being nerfed under stupid circumstances, for pathetic reasons and THEN being given the silence treatment.


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/agree slaide


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Amen. I used to live in UP, now it sucks. I could tank all the non-raid named in the zone, and I exp'd there exclusively for months. Now, if slow doesn't land right away, my monk can't tank for shit. Just depressing.



Freaking ignorant ass people saying "duh..i don't notice the nerf, did I mention i'm tanking the lowest lvl blue mobs I can find?". Dipshits.


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Did I ever mention that I was happy about being nerfed, NO, did I say I was trying to tank level 55 Mobs in UP?? NO!!!!



Did I say that we could tank in Exp Groups YES!!!!



Did I say that soloing was pretty much a dead thing YES!!!



I don't appreciate being called a dipshit,... There is no reason for it...



Yes I hate like hell that we got nerfed and didn't get a REAL reason for it. But you know what, I did tank Mobs that were 55 plus in PoH...



Anyway, thanks for the Replies, I knew that I would be flamed but you know what I don't try to solo/duo things that are out of my level range to effectively do,... Ie UP mobs.



Oh also get a clue as to how Magelo shows your profile it always shows a full Exp bar no matter what level you put in.... The screen shot is just a background you put into it.


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I'm glad we got nerfed. It'll stop all the whiney bitches from playing the class. Good riddance to ya.



Baazz


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I have recently been able to tank for our group in HoT, as I have never done this before I am not exactly sure how it compares to pre-nerf.



I feel I was doing well, as the mobs were 58-61 (yes slowed)



and not being an overly uber monk, I feel it was an accomplishment.





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[SkyKungfu]

Hehe Slorg, yes



HP 1565/1565

AC 869/1000



at lvl 60 doesnt sound to uber. Maybe you should put more or your equipment on *grin*.



Sky


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If that's all you're wearing, you're right. You are not uber at all. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)">


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oops wrong profile. . ack



www.magelo.com/eq_view_pr...num=259644 (http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=259644)



hope that one works




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I'm done with you and your little post.



Nothing worth mentionning about tanking level 44 mobs. Or even hot mobs who are shamen slowed. Hits hard, but nothing a good healing line cant fix. Hell throw a bard in there and I am sure he could tank HOT mobs with good healage and slowed.



I declare this thread gimped.






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*Cough* Slaide...ummm, magelo profiles always show you with a full bar of xp...just so you know... <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)">


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<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Just have me fall to the ground with my butt in the air for convienient penetration.<hr></blockquote>



HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAH



That was great <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)"> Gave me an awesome laugh at work!


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[Alexyi]

We all have things that are important to us. We each play the game in our own unique way. To tell the truth...I was going to go the "Get the #(&@ out of my class you whiny Bitch" route too; but then it hit me....Your problems are not my problems. I have no clue how you played and what effect this nerf did to you.



I will say this however...This is not the first time the monk class has been Fugged over. This is not the last time the monk class will be Fugged over. Pick your chin up off the ground and make a decision.....Are you a monk? or A wimp? Find a way to beat them at their own game. I was like two steps away from quitting when I found a way to beat them. Im succeeding again and making progress. And thats all Im gonna say about that!


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Thank you alexyi for those inspirationnal yet extremely unclear words.



I demand explanations. Its all. You can either ask for explanations yourself or keep dribbling in ignorance. Whichever fits you best.


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Baazz said it best. Too bad we have to filter through all the whiney bitches here. It's a game, you can still play, quit your f'n cryin. Leave or stay, makes no difference, but stop whining.



You make us all look bad.


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Just because you like to bend over doesn`t mean everyone should enjoy it.


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Yeah feignz, right on bro, I guess you like taking it up the ass and enjoy it too.


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[SkyKungfu]

Hey Feignz, how come that I am not surprised after reading your post that this is just your 2nd post here? Anyone know ?



/sigh



Sky


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Ok do any of you actually play your characters?





Firstly, YES the nerf sux.

Secondly, the Mitigation and Avoidance skills added on top of the extra 5 levels brought by PoP MORE than make up for it.







Think about it. Level 65 monk with 5 more AA levels of mitigation and 5 more AA levels of avoidance.







BTW I am still soloing just fine. It's not as easy as before but it is still possible. I made 2 AAs yesterday soloing. Chalk up AA 104 /grin.











BTW I tank for my exp groups and we are killing level 60+ mobs. One group. So don't tell me monks were hurt that badly. And please don't tell me VI will nerf monks again because my comments here. Please.





VI loves monks otherwise they would not have made us so a s s kickin.








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omg... when a shaman slows something, ANYONE can tank!



i dont like to flame people, but get a clue, dude


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[SkyKungfu]

Excuse me Rhizzen, wahts your AC and HP please?



Thanks, Sky


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He's unbuffed:



3407hp/1291ac



Another one of the clueless people who were unaffected by the nerf, and claim that it's really not a big deal. You're in the upper echelon of monks equipment-wise. Sure you're no 1400/1500 ac or 4k+ hp, but you're still better than 95%. The nerf hurt the majority, not the minority. Go twink out a monk, and start over. Tell me the grind from 50-60 won't be ALOT harder this time around. AFTER you've done that, come back and talk to us.


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[Savanti]

Hmm.. I'm halfway, a little over, to 61, I have

STA3/5

Run 3

Combat Fury 1

Natural Durability 3

Finishing Blow 1

Natural Healing 1

Physical Enhancement 1



You can see the equipment I have in my magelo. I carry Grogg liquidized meat and halas pies. I keep 3300ish unbuffed HP and 1140ish unbuffed AC.



You can view the rest of my Alternate Mains below my sig.



Pre Patch I could tank one Guardian wurm in Sky Fire Mountains and have mana left over, usually enough to pull another right away with no down time.



I can STILL tank a Guardian Wurm, HOWEVER I WILL be OOM on all characters when I finish and it MUST be slowed. Or I'll be dead..... Unless I have C3 on all then I may have one blue left over.



I can tank 2 lvl 60 malarian's in Plane of Decay at a time, IF slowed, they hit like guardian wurms actually for a bit less. But again I'll be OOM on all casters from healing me.



Without slow monks can't tank much of anything anymore and be effective at it.



The patch Definetly DID what it was suppposed to. Keep in mind that now we are trying to figure out as a community if they went too far.



As most have stated the 55-65 group who are in UBER gear were pretty much unnaffected or showed SLIGHT changes. Those in less than uber gear were affected, but not nearly as bad as those in Average or under average gear. The biggest problem shown is that those who are below 55 and in average to below average gear were hit hardest.



How do you justify hitting them that hard when they have NO WAY to pump points into Archtype Mitigation/Avoidance abilities, much less the 61+ AAXP abilities? You can't.



Now before you say "WTF your talking about mobs that double for 600ish, how do you campare that too mobs who double for 130-200" you have too keep in mind that at my level and gear, guardian wurms are a challange and give xp but are DOABLE with adequate risk vs reward for ME.



The same Risk vs Reward that a lvl 50-54 in Thurg armor would have trying to tank a moktor in UP. But I garauntee you that he will get hit HARDER and faster and die quicker than I.



Considering that I have the OPTION to pump points into mitigation and avoidance is NOT fair to them.



We DO need to watch out for them.


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I never said the nerf was good for us, but the way you all are bitching about it is pathetic. If you dont like to play anymore, stop. Whining about the nerf isnt going to change it, isnt going to make it better, and sure as hell isnt going to make you feel any better about it.



I too use a duo combo. I 2 box, and always have. Its fun and I enjoy it. Sure its more of a challenge now, but who cares, it's still fun. When they game is no longer fun and becomes a burdon and all you do is whine, its time to move on.



So monks arent the gods they previously were. Who gives a rats ass. Do you still have fun? If not, time to find a new class or a new game.



Yes its my second (now 3rd) post here. I've used these boards for over a year looking for information and ideas. Read peoples strategies on how to break/pull a camp, and all the gear discussions. I've had no reason to post, but you all are acting like 7 yr olds who were told they cant play anymore. Quit your bitching and move on.


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[Savanti]

Your confusing looking out for the smaller level monks with bitching about everything.



While some people are just venting, they are allowed, I would offer to you to stop reading.



Some of us are trying to look out for the younger monks who are getting hit harder by this nerf when it was supposedly AIMED at the 60 ubers.


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Hehe "Tour 3d" hit it BANG on !



ANY class can tank a low blue XP mob if its slowed. Shit Ill show you Shaman tanking lvl 61 Zuns in Vex Thall once slowed .



Should we nerf All classes that can survive a few combat rounds on a slowed mob?






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Do any of you not realize that the hell levels were taken out, the gear now available to new monks, etc.. etc... makes about even with what those UBER monks as you like to say, went through when they were leveling?





None of you seem to be comparing apples to apples. Comparing new monks with fungi's and other droppable gear that is fairly inexpensive, without the hell levels, without the aa points etc... to post nerf monks of the same calibure is ridiculous.





Compare the monks of old to the new monks with the ac nerf and the easily accessible gear and aa points.





Talk about your fellow man and how the new monks are effected... Try comparing apples to apples.





The monk population has gotten way out of hand. Just like the necro population was way out of hand prekunark, this nerf will hopefully help get it under control.







FYI I didn't level with the gear I have on. The only thing I am wearing that I had before level 60 was my epic. Don't try to pawn off my view as that of someone who had a silver spoon in my mouth.





I leveled with lesser gear that most of you level 50s out there that aren't even twinks.





<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Some of us are trying to look out for the younger monks who are getting hit harder by this nerf when it was supposedly AIMED at the 60 ubers. <hr></blockquote>



Please, your posts are personally motivated. Trying to jerk some tears for the cause aren't going to make your claims any more valid.









I am effected by this nerf. I can see it. I know the difference in my tanking ability but I am not going to whine and cry about it. Suck it up and move on. Send a letter to VI.





I suggest you all grind out those AAs and levels to make up for it. Look at it as if it's a challenge to show some real skills.

VI nerfed us. I say fine, VI, I will show you.





When I heard about the nerf...

I gritted my teeth and grinded out 18 aas that week.

I looked at it like this.... they want to make me take more damage... how can I compensate?



Oh I know...



So I capped out Rapid Feign and then added Crit mend 1 and 2 on top of it.





Compensate don't cry about it. Show what us monks are made of.




















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Feignz. You two box and always have. You no doubt have always had a healing slave who does nothing but cast heals on you non-stop. You are out of touch and frankly unqualified to say whether the nerf is good, bad or otherwise. I hae as suggestion. Don't log in your slave for a week. See what it's really like.



Rhizzen, you don't play fair either. Apples to Apples indeed.



<blockquote>Quote:<hr>I suggest you all grind out those AAs and levels to make up for it. Look at it as if it's a challenge to show some real skills.<hr></blockquote>



Yes, grinding aa is real skill.





<blockquote>Quote:<hr>When I heard about the nerf...

I gritted my teeth and grinded out 18 aas that week.

I looked at it like this.... they want to make me take more damage... how can I compensate?<hr></blockquote>



Spoken truly like someone who is out of touch. The percentage of people who can "grind out 18 aas" in a week are the tiny minority. The uber, out of touch. Do you two box? If not, do you really think that your madman EQ lifestyle is reasonable for *most* players? What do you suggest that the players who can't log in a bot or put in 35 hours of play a week should do over the course of the next year?



<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Compensate don't cry about it. Show what us monks are made of.<hr></blockquote>



As much as I admire the spirit of your posts on this board and your desire to fight through the nerf, I really do think you are not even remotely representative of the type of player that fits the general EQ profile and your monks exp/gear certainly doesn't reflect "the norm". So again, it's easy for you to say "bite the bullet".




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[Savanti]

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Please, your posts are personally motivated. Trying to jerk some tears for the cause aren't going to make your claims any more valid.

<hr></blockquote>



And you're any different? Yeah right.



While I can survive through the nerf, some aren't.



As to "tear jerking" LoL. I make valid points. Please disprove them.



As to armor and equipment. Look at the mobs you fought at those levels in comparison to the mobs alot of these monks are fighting now.



As to fungi's. You seem to use one of the most expensive items a monk will buy these days and say it's accessible like rusty daggers. I disagree.



H2H damage on BARE FISTS has NOT changed since Kunark. Only the weapons that a monk can gain. MOB's HAVE changed since Kunark, 3 times now in fact. Yet H2H bare fist remains still unchanged. With the newer, harder mobs killed for xp, monks need the boost. Thanks for trying, please try again.


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Zikoz,

Point well taken. I wasn't always able to grind out exp like that. I can tell you one thing, it has just as much to do with knowing where and knowing your limits as it does your gear and time put in. If you know the right camps, it does get easier. And no, I do not 2 box or any box besides one character that I play on one computer. You just have to explore and know your limits. Luck is great too. Stumbling across a camp in a place you would never expect it is really the mother of all great exp. I do work a full time job btw. So it's not like I grind all day every day.









Ssavanti says,

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>As to armor and equipment. Look at the mobs you fought at those levels in comparison to the mobs alot of these monks are fighting now. <hr></blockquote>





But are those mobs, kunark and prekunark, no longer around?

You talk about monks hand damage vs new mobs. Hello sir, those old mobs are still available. Just because you want to be able to kill the new blue mobs because they give you better exp doesn't mean VI should make it as such. Go back to killing antonica mobs and kunark mobs for exp like those who came before you did that, might I add, didn't have the gear or weapons available now AND the hell levels on top of it.







I am not saying the nerf wasn't wrongly implemented. I would love for them to lift it or make it effect the true target group it was intended.





BUT it's old seeing people on these boards complain about it. Send a letter to VI, start a petition, suggest a fix / better idea, or compensate.





God forbid a monk having to actually use the other skills they have.





Compare apples to apples Ssavanti not apples to apple cobbler. Sure everyone wants apple cobbler but when your oven breaks down, you have to settle for apples.







Perhaps this nerf might actually help form a stronger more skilled monk community? I hope so atleast. Too many part timer, garbage skills, "I just need one more item to make me useful" monks out there. Sorry if you are offended but it is so much closer to the truth than most will admit.
















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</div></p>Edited by: <A HREF=http://pub35.ezboard.com/bmonklybusiness43508.showUserPublicProfile?gid=rhi zzen>Rhizzen</A> at: 10/25/02 2:04:53 pm

[Alexyi]

Yesterday, all my troubles seemed so far away,

Now it looks as though they're here to stay,

Oh I believe in yesterday.

Suddenly, I'm not half the man I used to be,

There's a shadow hanging over me,

Oh yesterday came suddenly...

Why she had to go I don't know. She wouldn't say.

I said something wrong, now I long for yesterday,

Yesterday, love was such an easy game to play,

Now I need a place to hide away,

Oh, I believe in yesterday...



Lyrics by: The Beatles (John, Paul, Ringo, George and Stan)


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And in the end..the cobbler you make..is equal to

the apples you bake..


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Rhizzen, some of us are playing a game rather than persuing a vocation.


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I long to know its feelings.

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[SkyKungfu]

Feignz. So because I dont like the nerf I should shut up or quit? I spend hundreds of RL $ and tons of time to get my monk to the point where he is and now, after they changed the rules that have been valid for ages, I have the choice to shut up or quit? Fuck off.



Rhizzen, it doesnt matter that you didnt have all those great equipment when leveling that you have now, because that was PRE NERF ! But you have this equipment now, post nerf, and thats the reason you dont get hit much by it. At least far less than 90% of the other monks. Taking in account that you are 2boxing, you are in a better position than 99% of the other monks. So telling them to stop whining about the nerf is hmm ...



Sky


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[Ssyn]

Hell levels gone so what... The exp required 1-60 stayed the same, who cares if the hell levels are there or not. Woohoo a new player can now zoom up to level 10 too, sweet candy.


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I would compare apples to apples, but coming from a monk with 3.2 k hp and 1.2 k ac unbuffed I started by dismissing what you consider normal.



Please go back to grind your AA.


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eek cool it with the anyone can tank when the mob is shammy slowed posts. If they nerf my shammy as well i really would start whineing :P


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I was grouped with a few people in Plane of Innovation the other night and, like it or not, I was the main tank because I just hit too darned fast. The thign that pisses me off more than anything about the monk nerf is this... when the druid was getting tagged on, she was getting hit for less than 100 each time, whereas I was getting hit for an average of 250 each time. This is not right. As a melee class, it is disappointing to see a druid taking hits better than I can.


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[Savanti]

Unfortuneately I am speaking of apples and apples. You sir seem to be stuck in the cobbler.



If you FIGHT in the NEW zones, you NEED the new equipment. If you FIGHT in the OLD zones you Don't.





If you don't understand this, you will never understand my point.



When you can comprehend this please let me know and I'll continue.


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You have a fungi, and 2 of the best 1h weapons money can buy, 31 percent haste, legs most monks can't get anyone to sell, and you can't solo? My gear hasn't ever been that good and I can solo still. Not saying its easy but its possible.


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[Alexyi]

"Without slow monks can't tank much of anything anymore and be effective at it"



Oh so wrong. Look up WRONG in the dictionary and see your picture





Oh wait, Nevermind....Im obvisiously doing something wrong.



And for those that think Im some Uber monk...Please....Im the original Working Class Monk.



Level 60 (one kill away from 61 and thats where its staying for awhile) 21 AA points



Run 3

Regen 3

Finishing Blow

Combat fury

Combat Stability

Natural Durability

Return Kick



Shishar Scale Headband

Sarnak Earring of station

Vah something Earring (from M something Zone (god has it been that long))

Mushroom Veil

Shrouded Amulet

Veilum whatever ring +6 ac +65 Hp

7th Coldain Ring

Hard Grey Sleaves

Shackle of Tynn

Bracelet of Quickness

Celestial Fists*

Blackpanther Shoulders

Blackpanther Tunic

Cloak of Flames

Blackpanther Legs

Blackpanther Boots

Some Necklace that sits in My range slot (also from Maidens Eye)

Tstaff

Stave of Shielding

Star of Eyes

Bracer of Hidden

Crude Steind

Anklebiters Gauze Press

4 tink bags

and

1 60th level Bitter Dwarf Cleric.



Notice there is only ONE Item (celestial Fists) that you cant buy or obtain yourself.



Thats what I have to face down the Evil Verant and I manage to do it. Its not pretty, Its not quick. But dont come whining to me that you cant tank in exp groups. CAUSE YOU CAN!!!! If I can Dual Box. YOU CAN TANK! Just choose where you do it. The only thing holding you back....Is you!






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YOU CAN TANK! Just choose where you do it. The only thing holding you back....Is you!

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See that's the difference between 2-boxing and tanking for a group.... when you're tanking for a group you don't get to say... "actually I have to choose which mobs I tank carefully, you mind if we go to zone X instead?"



The statements "you can tank" and "just choose where you do it" really aren't much use in the same sentence... A Druid can tank if they choose where the do it carefully enough.



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Oh so wrong. Look up WRONG in the dictionary and see your picture

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We don't need that, this isn't a school playground. Allow for the fact that not only do other people have a different point of view than yourself, but that other people are often playing a different game than you.



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1 60th level Bitter Dwarf Cleric.

<hr></blockquote>



You don't think that perhaps this makes your gameplay a little different than most?


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[Alexyi]

Im taking on DARK Blue mobs with me and a dwarf. You should be able to take down either same difficulty or greater difficulty mobs with a FULL group.



Am I missing something here?



You know what.....Nevermind. No really. If you cant stand the heat, best get out of the kitchen before you get burned. You want to sit around the campfire and talk about the glory days. I was there man. I fought in Leather and patchwork in Live side guk, scraping copper and onyx off of Froglock Backsides for 3 months straight cause I wanted a Tink Bag. I got it. Then another. Then another, and more besides. Mid Luclin was nice. We were #$(&ing Gods. Me and my Cleric could take out level 55 Xi Centians in Maidens Eye. That was awsome. I dont know if I could still do it now. Tell the truth I havent been back to ME since DP was hosed and am not in a hurry to go, nothing there I need or want.



The average monk will probley never again be the powerhouse we were. But the more you whine about how pathetic you are, the more other classes will start to belive it. Chances are you will start to belive it too. Im not pathetic. Im not weak. And Im not going to play a overhyped fishing rod. Whatever I pull I kill! Thats the game Im PLAYING!




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I am also "average" monk, I have a few more AXP's prolly than the norm, but my gear is mostly easilily obtainable. I'm also not a solo monk, I only group <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)">



I think the only problem with monks being the main tank is that we can't taunt. I mean yes, we can through damage, but we have no way to pull the aggro back onto us if a shaman, or chanter or cleric REALLY ticks something off. This was fine in Chardok, where the mobs hit for maybe 210 max, but in the planes this is brutal. We were fighting spids that hit for 508 =/ Saddly if the enchanter pulled aggro on supernal remedy could save her.



But I basically took hits well enough, worse than a warrior or a paladin sure, but if they went linkdead I could hold my on with healing.



I do feel bad for the solo'er monk, but I can tell you the best xp out there now is in groups, not alone. Level 61+ mobs are giving out insane ammounts of experience.


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[Savanti]

Oh yes, please try to Keep and SUSTAIN agro in ANY PoP zone.



You won't. Unless you have absolutely 0 casters in group and the other melee don't have better equipment than you.



As to Alexyi thank you for yet again ignoring the words I wrote and twisting them to perform your own crusade.



My words were "Efficently". NO monk is going to be anywhere as efficent as they were pre nerf. You take more damage, quicker, you need more heals, quicker, and unless your 60+ with over 50aaxp spent you can't even begin to regain the level at which we used to tank. I'd even go so far as to say you can't get it back or anywhere close to it until your 65 with all mitigation and avoidance skills maxed, but I can't verify that personally until I'm 65 with all those skills.



As already pointed out, those who duo box and are 60+ really haven't much right to speak against those "Trying to discuss this nerf" as you have it easy.



I 5 box, I have a cleric, I have a shaman, I have other support classes. I SEE a difference. I'm the one healing, I'm the one slowing, I'm the one buffing, I do it all. I see the effects of this nerf not only on the monk, but what it did to the other classes if the monk tanks.



And when I speak of tank, I'm talking about MOBs that SHOULD be getting xp groups formed for. I'm talking Juggs in Seb, ME, UP, AR, SSra, The Grey, Any Available PoP zone, Kael Arena, etc.



Not the wuss mobs in Howling Stones, Bank Area of Kael, Upper floor of Sebilis, Giant Elites in GD, Sirens Grotto, etc.



You have to use comparable mobs to what the 50ish monk is using as xp groups to make it reasonably on par with what they are fighting for xp.



He'll I dinged 61, and dropped my first planer ability into ingenuity, I STILL notice a difference with the nerf. If I FEEL the nerf, and you see my level and equipment, and the fact that I DO Group with almost a full 6 person group, you SHOULD see and be able to estimate what's happening to those lower level monks. While I CAN move on and survive with what was done to me, it sickens me, that VI would do that to lower level characters.


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Im taking on DARK Blue mobs with me and a dwarf. You should be able to take down either same difficulty or greater difficulty mobs with a FULL group.



Am I missing something here?

<hr></blockquote>



Yes you are missing something here, but that comes as no great suprise. You are choosing to miss the bit where you said a Monk would have to carefully choose which mobs you fought, and the fact that if you have a 60th Cleric in tow to 2-box with it is a lot easier to carefully choose which mobs you tank.



So like way to hang tough and stuff.... RAWR!... you da man.... but most of us aren't 2-boxing with a 60th Cleric. And most of us don't get to trek through the game carefully choosing which mobs we wind up tanking.




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<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Oh so wrong. Look up WRONG in the dictionary and see your picture<hr></blockquote>



OMG!! He was so right, I'm gonna go cry now...



http://www.lvcm.com/darkelf/wrong.jpg



Seriously though, I can't solo like I used to, but duoing has become an option. I don't mind duoing really though, gives me someone to talk to... I'm not tlaking duoing with a shaman either... I personally prefer a mage friend of mine. She keeps me in bandaids, and if I pull badly she just turns up the mana consumption and lights em up good. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)">


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[Alexyi]

"And when I speak of tank, I'm talking about MOBs that SHOULD be getting xp groups formed for. I'm talking Juggs in Seb, ME, UP, AR, SSra, The Grey, Any Available PoP zone, Kael Arena, etc."



If you refuse to think outside the box and INSIST on sticking to the "Trendy" spots then I cant help you. I really cant.



What are we talking about? Do you want Exp or Do you want to solo? Soloing is SLOW Trust me. I sussed that out before Velious came out, thats why I remade my cleric on a second account and started two boxing.



Listen one more time....If I can have a group with only a cleric and a monk and I can kill certain mobs.....then it goes to follow that any six classes of approiate Level can kill that same monster. If you want to increase your efficiency thats when you get into class selectivity. Chanter, Necro or Bard for Mana Replenishment. Cleric, Shaman or Druid for Healing, Warrior for Damage Taking, Rogue/Ranger/Monk for Damage Dealing. Paladins or SK for Versitility.



If your telling me as a monk that you cant contribute in some signifcant way, then feel free to delete and get the hell out of my class.



I cant help you if you feel slighted by Verant. Ive been there dude. I was slighted at the Monk BOB. When I was told that I couldnt use weapons and but monks with Celestial Fists could have 9/18 altered fists. That the Monks who had Celestial Fists could use their Whistling Warsong But Monks with the Robe of the Whistling fists couldnt use their Whistling Warsong. Let me share a few words that the Monk Community Told me. "Its your own fault for not Getting the Celestial Fists". Yeah, its my fault everytime I went to Pawduster camp he never showed. Whatever.



"Its your own fault for soloing. Its your own fault not having a 60th level cleric at your beck and call and most of its YOUR FAULT if you allow this nerf to diminish you." (two of those statements are false, one is true. IF you cant figure it out, get the hell out of my class)



And oh yeah....One last thing.....You wouldnt belive how much easier killing mobs is with a Meatshield Warrior is. I ve been fighting a mob that regularly hits for 200's, a guild warrior came by and joined me. Made the mobs soooo much easier. Its called grouping. No man is an Island, blah blah blah.


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[Savanti]

No I gave examples, but you appear to be blind to that.



You HAVE to use comparable mobs. Difficulty in ratio to level.



When you figure that out let me know.


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I am so through with th Monk Change Forum. Feel free to sit here, whine and Rot. Ill be in the Planes haveing fun.


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I am so through with th Monk Change Forum.

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/sings joy to the world


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<blockquote>Quote:<hr>If you FIGHT in the NEW zones, you NEED the new equipment. If you FIGHT in the OLD zones you Don't. <hr></blockquote>



Ssavanti I don't think you know what you are talking about.

I have been tanking in PoI, PoN, PoD, PoJ, LoTT etc... tanking yard trash that hits for 300-500+ with the same old velious gear. The planes mobs are no more difficult than NToV mobs, so far atleast.





<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Oh yes, please try to Keep and SUSTAIN agro in ANY PoP zone.<hr></blockquote>



/sigh yet another miss informed comment. I still out aggro / hold aggro over warriors even with comparable or better weapons. It's called a higher Haste cap. I regularly hold aggro from warlords with weapons such as the twisted bastard sword and up (drops off eashen if you feel like looking it up). I pass up aggro when I choose to the warlord. I still out aggro rogues (didn't say out damage), and even rangers unless they start snaring. Likewise against Pallies and Sks. I will out aggro any melee class unless they are snaring or chain stunning in pallies case.







One thing I will admit is that a cleric CH on a monk in a tanking situation in the planes... if not properly adjusted.. causes insane aggro on the cleric. There are ways around it, I won't bore you with my useful info.








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[Savanti]

And thank you agian for putting your foot in your mouth.



LOOK at your gear. Look at the gear of an AVERAGE monk.



If you don't see the difference, you never will.



As to NEW gear in NEW zones, it's that. YOU were seperating Kunark and previous content as OLD, and Velious through PoP as new.



If you are fighting in Velious through PoP you NEED velious through PoP equipment to KEEP in par.



If you are fighting in Kunark or earlier, you only need Kunark or earlier equipment.



Why is this so hard to grasp?



As to your tuant ability, please spare us, again look at your equipment. AAXP only further compliments your "uberness". I must add, ALOT of aaxp you've spent too.



AAXP I might add that the levels 1-50 don't have access too, and that only 51-58 have partial access too.



Yes continuing waving your hand in a dismissive attitude. Your uberness fills me with awe.


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Wanted to add this little Gem that I found linked here



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And in case we have any edit work going on afterward, I'm posting below this a copy of the post.



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Hmm this is odd. I have been leveling to 61, spending my AAs, then deleveling back to 60 to go back to my old comfortable camps. I found no purpose killing my soloing ability leveling to 61+ until I capped out all the prerequisites for the new PoP skills.



I have deleveled from 61 to 60 about 5 times now and have not yet had this happen to me.





Kinda scarey. I think I'll wrack up all my AAs then level to 61 again for good. Hehe no more playing with fire.





But damn do you know how fast I could wrack up AAs at level 51 with my gear. Kinda tempting.





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Your point is?










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<blockquote>Quote:<hr>but my gear is above average <hr></blockquote>



And how does this makes your post relevant?



No shit you can tank if you have good gear... but the average gear monks cant, duh.


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