Warrior?

Well, I chose a warrior for my main and I'm really liking him. However, I'm abut to ding 25 and I put my 15 points into the 5% crit, 5% parry and 10 def skill (their names escape me) talents. Was wondering which way you guys think I should go from here. I solo, mostly, with help from friends when I get to the Elite quests that are more or less unsoloable.



Also, I was wondering if there are class boards, like there are for EQ, and if so where the warrior board is. Thanks for any help you guys can give.


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Those are the ones I started with then I went totally into the arms tree. Missing out Rend for the time being .



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[Syldin]

Respec, drop them all into arms, and keep piling it on til you get mortal strike. Don't skip improved overpower. Then do whatever you want with the rest.




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<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Respec, drop them all into arms, and keep piling it on til you get mortal strike. Don't skip improved overpower. Then do whatever you want with the rest.<hr></blockquote>



Now this is kind of a silly statment. At early levels you should get talents that help you at that level. Not all of them are in the arms tree talent. While mortal strike is a very nice talent, it's not the end all be all talent. A better way to state your advice Syldin, would have been... once you hit level 40, respec to get mortal strike. That way you have all 31 pts you need to get to mortal strike. So untill you get to level 40 dump your points into talents that will help you with leveling right now.



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Actually, I would hold off until you get to 30 to respec entirely to arms. You can't get sweeping strikes (i'm a huge fan of this skill) before then and 5% crit will benefit you pretty much the same as anything you will get in the arms tree before then...or you could wait until 40 and respec then to MS...except that Syldin is absolutely right on Improved Overpower. I also like improved charge and have not read many good things about the defense bonus skill.



As far as web-sites go, there are two you might like to look at. One is Steel Warriors (EQ Warrior site that has added a WoW section..so most of the posters are old EQ warrior players). I think it's website is www.thesteelwarrior.org



Also, you could take a look at the warcraft vault. I just find it by google searching. It has a section that lets you play around with your talents exactly like you're in the game and there is also a section for people to post different talent builds they've come up with. There are so many on there and not much discussion though, I just typically look at a bunch of templates and see what creeps up consistently and what never does.



The technical "cookie cutter build" for Warriors is straight arms up to Mortal Strike and then 5 in fury and then 15 more in protection...the current debate is whether you gain all that much by switching to protection spec at 60ish to do the high level instances.



Take or leave everything we are all saying..the thing I love about WoW is that you can do whatever you want and be just fine when you're soloing. Hell, a friend and I have been discussing exactly how helpful MS is for those of us that never PvP. I might even try respeccing into trying out a dual weilding build for fun after the next patch goes into effect...


</p>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p201.ezboard.com/bmonklybusiness43508.showUserPublicProfile?gid=glk hrag>GL Khrag</A> at: 5/19/05 11:39 am

wait.. I've been doing nothing but dual weilding, really. What do most warriors do?


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[Sylas]

A lot of warriors primarily use 2H weapons (axes/polearms usually). This is due to the higher damage you get from Overpower and MS. Slower 2H are better than faster ones (provided their DPS doesn't suck).



I however, like swords, so I stick with that and dual wield to work on the 1H.



Sylas


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[Kelsith]

Most, read- post 40- get a slow two hander with high dmg and use the mortal strike build. A few of the warrior skills work better with slow 2 handers, MS, overpower and cleave.



Whereas a few work better with a dual wield, well one, Heroic strike. You could, however, dual wield and then macro a weapon change for MS and overpower. That was a lot more needed before the warrior buff patch as it would help with rage, which is now not as much of a problem.



Edit: A step too slow. Yay for repeating what has been said heh.


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[Fopoodzo]

Yep I think at the moment there seems to be the 2hd MS build, the DW Fury build and the all out PvE tanking Prot build.



Hybrid combinations don't seem to work so well at the moment <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/ohwell.gif ALT=":"> (hopefully there'll be some more buffs for fury and some genuine buffs for proc soon).


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[Lotwell]

I've done unbridled wrath on my warrior which really works great with dual wield. I use weaponquickswap addon/macro to switch weapons on the fly. What I will do is dual wield until the mob dodges, switch to 2h for an overpower, then switch back to the dual wield combo.



I find most warriors just use 1h+shield or 2h. Dual wielding ones seem very rare.



Only 33 atm. Done 10 fury, 10 protection and 4 arms. Gonna respec soon and ditch the protection stuff most likely. Holding off on the respec until the next patch goes in with dual wield talent.


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I did 5 in cruelty, rest in arms with sword spec, till 40, then respeced at 40 to get axe spec and MS, until i think 45 where i respecced again for sword/cruelty/MS.


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[Sylas]

As far as re-spec'ing goes, I'd hold off until the new changes to the fury line go live. From what I understand, the dual wield talent doesn't make up for the loss of accuracy, however, it might float your boat.



If you are interested in MS, I would (as others have said) wait until 40 so that you can get MS immediately. You'll miss the increase in crit chance from fury for a little while, but MS more than makes up for it.



For PvE grinding a fury dual wield build is quite good, so if you will not get into PvP, don't get pushed into the cookie cutter MS build, stick with what feels comfortable...



Sylas


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[Blazyn]

I like my warrior, he's 31. I felt his main deficiency was DPS - so like many I've put most of my points into Arms (got the crit one from fury, though). Dual Wield is a nice way to maintain weapon skills, and you never can tell - at the moment my 1H options are as good as my 2H. I wouldn't throw talent points at DW, though.


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You are fine so far... At this point I would either continue in the fury line or start putting points into the arms line so you can get improved overpower.



<blockquote>Quote:<hr>While mortal strike is a very nice talent, it's not the end all be all talent. <hr></blockquote>



Actually, for a warrior, MS IS the be all end all talent...



Once you get to level 40, you will have 31 talent points. This is the first level at which you can spec MS because before then you dont have enough talent points to get it. The moment you ding 40, go to your trainer, spend the 1 gold it takes to re-spec and put them all into Arms so you can get Mortal Strike. DO NOT put any talents into heroic strike, once you get MS, you can completely take HS off your hot key bar, you will never use it again.


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[Setsoru]

OR...



You could go Fury spec and Dual Wield. Then you would want improved Heroic Strike and wouldn't worry about slow 2-Handers and Mortal Strike <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)">



That's my plan for PvE (20 Arms / 31 Fury / 0 Prot) to level 60. Then I'll most likely respec to MS for PvP.


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Yeah, I only plan on doing PvP rarely. I've done it maybe 2 or 3 times so far, and don't really see that number going up very fast, so I think I'll stick with what I have. The MS build just doesn't seem like it's for me. 1 thing, though - do I want to get rid of those 5 points in Anticipation? I was thinking like an EQ monk there that 10 skill was big enough, but I guess that's holding me back from additional stuff in Fyry.


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if any highend warriors reading this?



Is 55 a good time to respec into Protect or should I wait until 60?



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[The Yanger]

Until they buff up the spec for protection, almost nobody specs more than 15 points into it. 31-5-15 is essentially the standard spec.


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[Ahleanna]

Ive got from a full arms/furry to a full prot back to a 32/5/14 build.



There are things I miss from the prot tree, silence from shield bash, the stun, 2 seconds off taunt refresh and shield disc. Would I say theyre more then made up for by MS? Not really.

I havent really lost a lot of tanking power, although it can be a little bit more noticable in terms of trying to get agro back from the group, but its nothing thats disastrous.



I went for MS to assist me in PVP, as a prot spec in pvp is a waste of space.



I have no doubt that Ill respec back to prot again at some point, once Ive got bored with PvP


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[Sensei Kadd]

5 points into Aniticipation is a waste, as is any protection talents while levelling up. Go 5 points into cruelty, then the rest in arms till you hit 40 and respec to MS. The power of a slow, hard-hitting 2h axe with a high crit rate with MS is really nice. I just can't imagine any DW build competing with it. I won't deceive you though: MS really is rather unimpressive at level 40 when it doesn't crit, which is why it's so important to get that crit rate high. Basically without a crit it's just an extra hit that's a bit stronger than a regular swing with a nice healing debuff. But when it crits with a proper weapon with Impale and Deep Wounds it's great.



A tip that I will give which will help immensely to get that crit rate high is to take gear with sta and agi. Agility is such an underrated stat for warriors, and the WoW homepage boards will have you believe that strength is superior, but agi is the better choice. Of course high end instance gear that has crit/sta/str is better, but until then green "of the monkey" items are the only reliable way to raise crit rate while keeping respectable stamina. Agi means crits which equals takedown power. Also with the bonuses to crits via Impale and Deep Wounds, agility really shines. Heck it's even nice when tanking instances since agi increases dodge rate which is 100% mitigation, as well as allowing more revenges. However, now that my warrior is almost 60, I'm finding myself using sta and defense gear while tanking instances...but that's another subject.



Unfortunately until my late 40s I was still of the EQ mindset that hps > all, so I wore mostly pure stamina gear with some sta/str gear and felt warriors were rather weak at damage, although I knew with level 60 instance crit gear they were powerhouses. But then I decided to experiment with a sta/agi set of gear and was extremely happy with the results. In my low 50s I finally collected a full set of monkey gear, and got my crit rate up to 26% in berserker stance, higher than many level 60 warriors. The only hard part is that plate monkey gear is rarer than plate bear, so it took me checking the AH several times a day for a few weeks.



Finally, once you can get ahold of an Arcanite Reaper, MS is insane. This coming from a guy with a 60 rogue. My highest MS enraged crit so far at level 59 was over 1400 against a mage, and I have relatively low attack power as well as only 4/5 enrage, so I'm sure it can get higher. Don't doubt MS.


</p>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p201.ezboard.com/bmonklybusiness43508.showUserPublicProfile?gid=sen seikadd>Sensei Kadd</A> at: 5/20/05 7:04 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>if any highend warriors reading this?



Is 55 a good time to respec into Protect or should I wait until 60?

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I'm a high level warrior. I've been level 60 for months. I've been Main Tank in every single high level instance except for Molten Core and Ony's lair...



My opinion is that the standard 31/5/15 moral strike build is the way to go. It offers the most flexibility for all situations from aggro generation and mitigation for instance tanking, to pure dps for pvp...



Does it generate as much aggro and mitigation as a pure defense build? No but it's pretty damn close...



Does it generate as much raw dps as a 31/20 or a DW fury build? No but it's pretty damn close...



When should you spec to pure defense? Never in my opinion. It's too limiting in what it allows you to do.



MS is not just an ability that is used solo or in pvp. Often times you find yourself tanking some big hard hitting boss and you have more rage then you can spend. MS is another way to spend that excess rage to not only do more dps but to build more aggro.



What about Heroic Strike? Doesn't that do the same thing? Sure but it's not nearly as efficient. Even using 1h weapons, MS will provide a lot more dps and aggro per rage point than HS will...



What about a DW fury build? I admit I have no real experience w/ a build like that. It's my understanding that a DW fury build can do as much dps as an arms/fury build but it's somewhat dependent on being crit hit. I don't know about you, but one of my goals is to minimize how many times I get crit hit. I suppose it's a viable build for those who just want to deal the most damage in pvp, but if that's what you wanted from the start, why did you make a warrior?


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[Setsoru]

There are 2 components to the Fury build. The first, as you mention, involves being hit with a critical strike.



Enrage - 5/5 points

Gives you a 40% melee damage bonus for 4 swings any time you are the victim of a critical strike.



The other component further boosts your DPS from crits.



Flurry - 5/5 points

Increases your attack speed by 30% for your next 3 swings after dealing a critical strike.





When you add the new Duel Wield talent to give you up to 25% additional damage AND commensurate Rage generation on your offhand weapon.... Well, a Dual Wield Fury Spec Warrior begins to look like a pretty darn good PvE grinder. Add in Unbridled Wrath, and it just looks like a really fun alternative to the standard MS build.



The second advantage is that you're not the typical cookie cutter build, if you're into being different (like me).


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The problem with DW spec (as I see it) at level 60 isn't that it's non-viable - it's that it's drastically harder to equip for than a MS spec. MS spec you gear up for +str +crit +agi and get a reaper, which, albeit expensive, you can save up and work towards over time at a steady pace. Fury/DW spec you need to get +*hit* gear, which makes it quite a bit harder to gear for, and there's no craftable weapons to go for. A MS warrior will get their Arcanite Reaper eventually if they work at it - and you can do it solo.



DW spec, there is no such option. Frostguard (best craftable 1H sword) is 1.9 speed, too fast. Annihilator is (I believe) 1.7 speed, again, too fast (I won't even mention heartseeker). Both of these make fine offhands, but they're horrible main-hands - overpower is still a mainstay of warriors regardless of builds.



So, what are your options? Well, the Dal'Rend (sword) set is popular - but with the addition of new drops to Rend's loot table (which seem to be at a FAR greater droprate than his old loots), Sacred Charge is probably a ~2% drop (as opposed to the old 5-6%), and Tribal Guardian isn't too much better. Granted, you don't need both of them - but the set bonus is 50 atk power, which is quite nice.



There's also Rivenspike (axe), which is a drop from a rare spawn in lower spire (can't remember if it's his common or rare drop). This is only like 38.x dps, but iirc it's 2.9 (?) speed, ideal for overpowers for a 1H weapon.



Anyway, if you search around on thottbot, unless I'm missing something somewhere, there isn't an easy-to-obtain quality, slow 1H weapon like 2H has in the reaper. This is a major reason why DW is and will likely remain to be rather unpopular.


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If you look at my gear you'll find this weapon (http://www.thottbot.com/wow/?s=krol) which is a pretty good, slow, 1h weapon. It's a fine weapon for both a MS build and a DW fury build.



It's not that hard to obtain. I have seen two drop in my journys, both during 5 man groups in strath.


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[The Yanger]

Just cause you've seen it doesn't mean it isn't hard to obtain =) It's a VERY desired weapon, and I've never seen one drop, along with most of the purple items in the game.




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I must have been lucky then. I was feeling pretty special when I got mine. Then another one dropped for my regular group a couple weeks later and I wasnt feeling so special...






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somebody mentioned it when they were making their point, but the problem with the protection spec is that it does give you better mitigation and taunting ability, but its so minimal that its not worth it to not grab the other talents in the other trees.


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You can't plan a build around a 1 in 100,000 drop from mobs in a particular level range (yes, it is THAT rare). You are quite lucky, and yes, Krol blade is pretty good.


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[Syldin]

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Now this is kind of a silly statment. At early levels you should get talents that help you at that level. Not all of them are in the arms tree talent. While mortal strike is a very nice talent, it's not the end all be all talent. A better way to state your advice Syldin, would have been... once you hit level 40, respec to get mortal strike<hr></blockquote>



Although it may have appeared to be a flippant answer - it wasn't.



Given his current talent choices, I feel a respec is justified. Unless you *really* want to try and claim that anticipation is going to help someone level more than improved overpower, rend, tactical mastery, weapon spec, deep wounds, impale ?



If he had just specced cruelty and deflection then sure, respec at 40 for MS to save 1 gold, as it is though, his current setup has essentially destroyed 5 talent points for soloing usefulness, which I believe is worth the 1 gold.




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<blockquote>Quote:<hr>You can't plan a build around a 1 in 100,000 drop from mobs in a particular level range (yes, it is THAT rare). You are quite lucky, and yes, Krol blade is pretty good. <hr></blockquote>



31/5/15 is not built around the Krol blade. It's kind of like the vanilla icecream of warrior talent specs...



It's good with anything...



My talents are built around that weapon in a small way as I have sword spec instead of axe spec but other than that...


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Guys, dual wield spec is going to be shit.



25% of your offhand weapon? Offhand is just how much of your overall damage? Yeah. Doesn't affect overpower or whirlwind or cleave.



Plus the miss rate. I've heard it's hard capped, and that +tohit gear only works against higher level targets...



Also, that means 5 more points in fury tree. Which means no sweeping strikes and no impale, and flurry warriors crit a lot, so losing impale sucks. Losing sweeping sucks, too, but not as bad for a dual wielder.






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[Sensei Kadd]

Gonna have to agree with Prenn here; I don't think that DW spec is going to increase dps by much.



Also, I've heard a few people on this board say 31/5/15 is the cookie cutter spec, but from everything I've heard and seen 31/20 is, which is what my warrior is specced. At least for PvP it seems to be so.


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Nono Zonk, I was speaking in terms of a DW (fury) spec, which is built around a high DPS, slow, 1H weapon for the MH. Obviously, if you're 31/5/15, you're mostly using your 1H weapon for instances, in which case only the dps really matters.



31/5/15 is the balanced pve/pvp build. 31/20 is the all-pvp build. And when I say pve, I mean MC/Onyxia as the spot where protection talents make a noticeable difference. 31/20 is fine up until then. In short, if you're not raiding the highest-end content, and like to pvp, 31/20 is probably your best bet.


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Here's another question. I've decided to go polearm instead of dual weild, but in doing that it looks like i'm going to have 2 points to blow before I can do polearm spec... so what should I put these in? Heroic strike is out, maybe the "keep 5 rage"? Also, I respeced to get the 10def out of there, but I left 5 in fury for crits. I figure I won't have a really good weapon for MS until about 45 anyway.


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[Syldin]

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>31/5/15 is the balanced pve/pvp build. 31/20 is the all-pvp build. And when I say pve, I mean MC/Onyxia as the spot where protection talents make a noticeable difference. 31/20 is fine up until then. In short, if you're not raiding the highest-end content, and like to pvp, 31/20 is probably your best bet.<hr></blockquote>



Depends I think. I started off using protection spec so by the time I was experimenting with builds I already had a significant amount of defense gear. With that, I found 31/20 kind of subpar for pve because I got critted so rarely. Of course, I could have taken my defense gear off, but then I am weighing the dps advantage of enrage vs the very real extra strain on the healers in 5 man. PVP wise though no complaints - overpowering a cheeky rogue for 1500 is pure fun <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/glasses.gif ALT="8)">



31/5/15 is pretty good, 31/10/10 works decently as well - improved demoralise is a decent damage reducer, and it's something that is effectively constantly on. I have cooled some to improved revenge given the shared cooldown timer with overpower ( Murphy's Law states that a mob will always dodge immediately after you use revenge ) and the diminishing returns with the legion of warstompers in my guild, but I don't think it makes much difference either way.






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