SIT IN !!!!

Any for doing this? All Day Friday, Oct 25th on Veeshan. All create a level 1 monk and park it. Protest the monk nerfs, let our voice be heard, maybe they'll pretend we're paladins for a day and actually notice us. ?? All in favor?


Gammuh, Level 57Monk (http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=177741)


Tsupa, Level 56 Enchanter (http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=71583)</p>

hmm friday is usually a raid day for alot of monks, did ya read my petition suggestion?


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[Fatal]

Yeah.. god forbid anyone be inconvienced for anything they believe in.



The nerve of you to even suggest such a thing!




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Yah, I read it and replied... I will be doing both.. the Feedback and the Sit-in... Hopefully we will get a lot of monkly support on both...


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[SkyKungfu]

Iksar or Human monk ? Just to be in the "right" zone <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)">



Sky


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<a href=http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=139385>Sionistic Triplefist</a>

58 Monk

Veeshan
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Maybe they don't give a shit if they get banned.


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Ok fine then, they dont mind if they get banned. But what i was trying to say was that even if they they did get banned they are not going to make a difference in the monk nerf. In fact they will make us look WORSE then we allready do. Thus, you all should be against people trying to do sit ins. For they are just idiots trying to make us look bad.


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Veeshan
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He's just bad cause they want to do it on his server...




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Yes, let's all roll over and take it like pu^H^H Monks.


Raviel Darkfyre

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Grease up your feet and take your flames somewhere else, Tibbil. You've got trolling posts on half the threads on the front page. There must be a train wreck somewhere in your neighborhood, go find it, and satisfy your schadenfreude somewhere else.


Raviel Darkfyre

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Ok then, look at my posts, and tell me where im wrong

i'll either defend them or admit i was wrong which i have done before


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[Mrisda]

Hey, Tibbil, you've been really vocal lately. I agree with many of your posts, but there's really no need to start personal attacks and flames.



Just keep it civil, more people will pay attention to you.


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funny thing is that i really did play a druid before my monk lol

Edit: Am i the only one seeing a whole bunch of html codes instead of sig's? Or is that in my options?


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[Mrisda]

Weird, I see HTML too....


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Nm i just noticed, the new ezboard is out and they nerfed html codes. They want us to use ezcodes which dont work in the first place, well never have for me.


<a href=http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=139385>Sionistic Triplefist</a>


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[Mrisda]

Damn, we're just getting nerfed left and right....



hehe


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oh i see, ok well back to a link less sig soon


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WHo is intentionally trying to cause lag, me I mearly find my current equipment unsuitable to hunt, so I am most certainly shopping in the bazaar for better equipment (perhaps I can get lucky and score some Barb skin leggins).



Such a shame that 200-300 of my fellow monks are hurting bad enough that they feel the need to do some serious shopping before hunting.



That is what I will be doing this day Friday, shopping for equipment all day Friday in the bazaar on saryrn.



PS also have done /feedback everytime my monk logs in for the day. (mostly requesting not a change in the 'nerf' but an explanation of is it what was desired, or perhaps were the results not what was exptected.)



Kestrel Aidbringer 55 Monk (trying desperataly to break that magic 1200ac that seem to be the break point in nerf/no-nerf)





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Although I appreciate any feedback that keeps this thread near the top where other monks who support fighting for something they believe in will see it, I will have to disagree with a few points. 1) VI will not ban anyone for creating a level 1 monk on a new server, even if all they do is go AFK with that character. There is no way for them to "proove" that you are trying to cause lag (which we aren't). 2) If you cannot participate in the sit-in, and you believe the changes to monk defense were too severe, please send a Feedback on Friday stating this. 3) See you all on Veeshan... I'm gonna go with Human Queelious ... that way if we decide to, we can all go jump to the nexus easily to "shop" for equipment <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)">


Gammuh, Level 57Monk (http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=177741)




Tsupa, Level 56 Enchanter (http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=71583)</p>

Someone talk to me when they want to do an inteligent(sic) debate.



Because that's what you are engaged in right?



To wit:



-Ok first thing you idiot...

-dont even try to warp what i say there because you fucking know what i ment(sic)

-Dude eerr um idiot, dont worry, your(sic) not the first to say sit in, your(sic) also not the first i had to rend because of it.



Yes, the rending was undeniable. You were a virtual slicer-dicer there. Kudos to you. Maybe Ron Popeil should do an infomercial about your amazing abilities to rend, cook, slice, dice, and cover bald spots.



-For they are just idiots trying to make us look bad.

-And if you faggots knew anything about me you would know my stance on the nerf. Instead i get to listen to your idiotic and uninformed flames.



fuck off



Your people skills are amazing. I bet you're HR for some large caring organization like UNICEF or Red Cross. Either that or a lawyer, because your debate skills are impeccable.





As for the sit in. I am not going to "sit in", but I'll come to bazaar on Veeshan to watch the sit in. Remember, you're not there as a monk protesting, or to cause lag, etc. You're there to watch on the off-chance that Verant will respond to those that ARE participating in the sit in. This isn't an organized protest, it's just a well thought out place to seek an answer that, to this point, has not been addressed to the satisfaction of the monk community. (How's that?)







-Faust


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[Kurrlee]

Cool, I'm for watching the sit in. I'm curious to know what is going to happen.



The bazaar?



Why not make it EC or Qeynos or someplace deserted...and easier to get to for a level 1 monk?


Kurrlee


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With the advent of the nice new Plane of Knowledge teleport system, you should be able to get a level 1 monk (human or iksar) to the nexus quite easily.



Of course, thats just for those of us that have PoP already.

Its almost worth the 30 bucks just for the teleport system.



-X



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Tearlach McMuttin - Level 51 Barbarian Shaman (http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=385466)


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Not sure but no place do I see the intent to lag the zone. He doesnt even suggest we all be in the same zone. Therefore there should be no bannings. Although its pretty much left to soe as they can ban for any reason, or so they claim. Heh at this point banning just saves me the trouble of getting what I can from the account before it expires.



If you are really worried about being banned just start another account. Who knows maybe it would work but to be honest the longer I dont play EQ the less it means to me.



Arphir 55 Monk

Xev

(for 17 more days anyway)




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Verant will listen to numbers. Parsed numbers. They are extraordinarily resistant to personal opinion as is expressed in both petitions and sit ins. They will listen if those numbers show that the nerf did NOT do what they intended it to do. They will not listen if the numbers show that the nerf had its intended effect.



Keep parsing the nerf's effect. The posts with hard numbers I've seen so far list a 6%-12% increase in dmg taken. If you feel 6%-12% is too high, then keep posting feedback to them detailing your parses and expressing your opinion based on these cold hard facts that this is too much of a loss.



Paladin's didn't get their nerf reversed at all. They got their nerf switched to a different nerf. They did't need to petition or sit in. They did this by presenting parsed data on SU's effect and why the proposed nerf would make it useless for the majority of Paladins.



I really feel that's your best chance of getting this issue looked at.


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You're probably right Skellt, but I think the big contention at this point is that there has been no commentary from Verant with regard to this whole matter. They have shown the pallies, ranger/druid folks a little more consideration by at least engaging in some dialogue, albeit akin to a textual reach-around, while pluggin' the ol' exhaust port. We're not even getting that...



That's the one part that chaps my ass more than anything. It seems to be a hot topic with a lot of the monk community. Love it or hate it, VI should at least have the cahjones to face the folks that they "altered", like they did with the others. I really don't think it's that much to ask. We pay the same as dru/rng and paladins.







-Faust


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Got class tonight, but I'll be there to watch the sit-in, on the off-chance that Verant comes to say something (or to hear good bitching.) I'll keep my /logs on in case somethin' happens whilst I am AFK. (Haha, sounds like Tom Bodet. "We'll leave the log on for ya." )







-Faust


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Way back before I even considered playing a monk, I remember hearing of monks having a sit-in in response to the FD nerf. Now my memory is fuzzy, but I seem to remember that Verant's response was to oust all the monks from game via GM commands.



What I'm also fuzzy on was the overall effectiveness of the sit-in. Was the orignal nerf that all mobs, regardless of level, had a chance to remember you when you stood up? And was this then changed to all mobs below level 30 will instantly forget, and all mobs above will have a chance to remember you? And if it was changed to this, was it credited to the sit in, or was it credited to written feedback?


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They changed it so mobs above 30 had little chance of a mem wipe when you fd them. Alot of monks got pissed off and did a sit in which resulted in....nothing but embarrasment. Exactly what would happen if these guys decided to try.


<div style="text-align:center">Sionistic Triplefist (http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=139385)

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Ok you want a sit in fine but think of other ppl playing the game. The Bazaar already holds 200-300 ppl all day, if you get a good sit in you could crash the zone and thats alot of pissed off ppl who were either buying or selling. Do it somewhere not as many ppl are there and you wont crash the zone. No one likes the nerf but thats no reason to mess up everyone elses play time.



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How about you dont do it at all?


<div style="text-align:center">Sionistic Triplefist (http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=139385)

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cant see anyway to make a sit in work, mass emailing mass petition would be more effective as it stays within the rules of how to register a bug / complaint.



as has been said before the only real thing that VI will listen to is money, so its cancelling accounts that will make a real difference imo, but im not prepared to give up my toon over the nerf i thought about it alot and i just couldnt do it to much work and time gone into him. /salute to anyone who does take that action though


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Yea if a ton of monks cancled thier accounts they would rethink the change. but heres the thing, VI made this change knowing that there would be NO mass canclelations(sp?). Of course, your all welcome to prove me wrong, hell leaves less monks for me to compete with.


<div style="text-align:center">Sionistic Triplefist (http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=139385)

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you feel like you are competeing with your fellow monks? thats a shame man, you missing out.


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