Opinions of Mid-40s monks?

[Tempur]

I foolishly had a friend port me to WC the night before the patch so I haven't had a chance to run through a couple mobs that I've become accustomed to fighting. How does soloability look for a mid-40s monk look? A majority of my time is spent solo with some duo time with a cleric. I'm afraid that this "change" is going to come down hard on both.


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I know that at 53, my ability to solo is pretty much gone. I've been in HHK doing nobles since 52, and having pretty good success. I tried soloing them on Wednesday night, and couldn't kill one. I FDed at 150 HPs.



A few monks in my guild have said they have seen either: an improvement to their soloing ability, or only a slight change. The only thing I can guess is that it's level and gear-based. ie - if you're under 55, and your AC is under 1000, you're disadvantaged moreso than you should be. I don't know that to be the case, but I am having problems that iksar 55+ monks in my guild aren't having.



My gear is far from uber, but it certainly doesn't suck either (link under sig).


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I posted this in "the way i read it" topic... but I am a level 44 human monk with 940ac and 1550 hp with fungi and it's gotten much worse for me on more than 1 dark blue mob. I had to FD a few times fighting 1 on 1 with dark blue mobs I used to be able to do easily before but data there is inconclusive.

This change is big for me.


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Well im lvl 46 and Im starting to see my soloing abilities flush down the toilet. The patch hurt the non uber more than the uber. SolB used to be my sweet spot, now I dont know where to go.


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Weird,



From a non-uber 46 monk, the change is like a blind taste test with pepsi and coke poured into identical containers.



The majority of the people can't tell. If I had not been told about the patch, and asked by a dozen people if I was upset... I would not have known the difference.



Granted I've only fought about 30 Dark blue mobs since the patch, haven't grouped yet... but so far so good.






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<blockquote>Quote:<hr> The majority of the people can't tell. If I had not been told about the patch, and asked by a dozen people if I was upset... I would not have known the difference.<hr></blockquote>



Same here, but some are insisting their play is ruined now. This tells me there are other factors involved. It's a more complex issue then just plain AC numbers. There are common denominators to everything, and must be to this one.



Why can some people still do fine on dark blues, and some not? Well "dark blue" is a wide range of levels. Everything from 1 under your current level to 1 above the minimum level you can get exp from.



What it sounds like is that some people have been fighting upper level dark blues, and now they can't.



I don't really see this as a problem. I would expect to be able to kill a light blue or low dark blue solo. But not one closer to my level (certainly not two dark blues at once like one guy was saying).



There aren't many classes in the upper levels that can do mid range dark blues solo. A necro, perhaps.



What this is going to take is some study and adjustment by players. Remember also that not all "level 38 dark blues" are the same across all zones. Some hit harder then others, some cast while others dont, etc.



I've seen 5 percent to zero change overall in my hunting ability. So I guess it depends on how and where you are hunting.


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Not 40s yet, but from the perspective of a 34 monk, it changed, but not much. Took a little more damage and it was certainly much more random, lots of streaks both for max damage and for misses.



The change was enough to cause a slight increase in cleric down time (I duo with a 40 cleric) but not so much to change the game play significantly.


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51 monk here. Couldn't find a group in KC today so decided to do some soloing out in DL. Found a drolvarg rager, full health but no mend and no disc..I had to fd at 75 hp, didn't even get the drolvarg below 20 percent. Used to be able to solo two of these without too much trouble..oh well.


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[Tempur]

Just a thought, but doesn't the damage table change for monks at 55? That might be why the low 50s are having more problems than 55+. I guess I'm going to have to log in sooner or later and try out some dire sonics in TM. If I can no longer solo, I'm afraid Tempur may take an early retirement.


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.. is pretty much the same as everyone else, including the uber folk, are describing. If you're over the cap, it's business as usual. If you're under, even just a little bit under, instead of a fight resulting in more lost HP, you now take HUGE losses and can't continue the fight.



The thing to remember is that the "cap" varies by MOB and level. What's over for one critter, might be far under for another or even for another of the same type that is higher level.



The puzzling thing about this is that VI supposedly did this out of the blue "just because leather classes shouldn't tank that well" and not to address some in-game problem. The net effect has been a severe nerf to solo'ing abilities for most monks and even to grouping abilities. Used to be, monks could fit into the odd group and pinch as a tank. Now, we're like low AC/HP rogues that can't BS.


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[Ganjin]

"The Monk is dedicated to honing her body into a pure weapon, shunning most weapons and forms of armor. She's very religious as well, and the gods are known to bless Monks by magically enhancing their attacks." - EQ Manual.



This nerf makes getting better gear necessary to achieve balance between the classes. They have managed to destroy their own vision.








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I haven't really noticed to much difference after the patch. I 2 box and fight with my wife. I play 43 Saman she is a 42 Monk.



I did no different then normal when fighting today when we played for a good 2 hours. She would pull one i would slow it and she would kill it. I would then heal her once for 300 damage after the fight and she would pull again. These were not low blues either. Rangeing from lv 37-42. Many of you prolly fought them, rockhoppers in dawnshroud peaks. The ones that conned even to her i would heal 2 times 600 damage. They hit for 100+. Seeing that they are even con or just a few lvs under her she can about solo them when slowed.



Just in my opinion i am not noticing to much difference. I will tell you this though my lv 55 Ranger can't solo them things unless they are the low ones without fear there was a 54 monk there taking them with NP without to much downtime. My Wifes monk is not that well equiped eaither. wearing wu's and one piece of acrylia. Wielding 2 knuckle dusters.


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2 boxing with a shammy of course will let you still kill.....



Slow makes a huge difference....



WE talking solo here....no 2boxers....plain out solo


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[Tempur]

finally logged in tonight and did some fighting against the dire sonics that i've spent a better part of this lvl on. for the most part, i was taking roughly 20% more damage per fight. one time i got severly owned. i can only assume that it was in the higher lvl range of the sonics. soloing appears to be still viable but choosing your mobs is more critical and the downtime between fights is going to be a little longer. i'm wondering if it will get worse as i work through the lvls.


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OK, maybe I was a bit harsh before, not completly flushed. I am taking 15-20% more damage, but still able to solo decent. As long as no one brings other to me <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"> . I used to be able to take on 2 blues at a time, now it seems that I sometimes can handle 2 and other times I can't. Guess only time will tell the complete effects of the nerf.


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before patch could solo sonic dire wolves in tenebrous, now can do about one in five.....am lvl 40

no more monking for me, back to my wiz


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Level 46 with adequate gear for level.



No appreciable difference fighting dark blue wolves, blood starved wolves and large zelniaks in Dawnshroud. These are all low, dark blue to my level.



Pulling rockhopper cave in DSP, no appreciable difference. In fact, might have gotten hit less than usual. These are high dark blue.



Fought underbulks in Echo Caverns last night with no additional problems, except for a little more bind wound, which could have been the random number generator.












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32 monk alt here, twinked out in acrylia:



Just before the patch I started soloing in CC, and could take Ry`Gorr Miners with ease and Watchmen without too much trouble. Now Miners hurt a lot and Watchmen usually force me to FD.



What's worse is it varies a lot. Some fights go pretty much like before, but other times I just get hammered. I'm sure with a friend I'll do okay, but soloing has been frustrating. I suspect my enchanter main is going to get some more play time.


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I have about the same thing as Teremar, just dinged 32 in CC last night and I am twinked out in Reinforced Acrylia, I use a GSC and a Wu's, and my 2hb is a Baton of Faith. Before the patch, miners, watchman and oracles were np. After patch miners are still ok, watchman are tougher but oracles are a real pain in the ass. Why are my fights with oracles so tough now?

I am noticing that my damage taken is different from fight to fight. Some fights with miners and watchman will take only one bubble of health then others will take half my health. Maybe it is just lvl difference in the blues I am fighting but it wasn't like this before, my damage taken was more consistent.

Don't know if it matters but - AC about 760, HP 1100. As far as I am concerned even with the patch...HP are still king!





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Hi all 39 here with what I'd call average gear...

Died yesterday for the first time in LONG time.

I have to Feign off about 1/2 of the dark Blue cons

that I attempt.



/cheer Verant.



Mach


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Here is what I am seeing.



At 54 now. Before, I could go into SolB and camp the king room 2 boxing with my 56 druid. Needing a few heals if I had to take on 2 mobs. Now since the change, I ran completely OOM with my druid and I had to FD and evac out.. I am fighting GREENS btw.. a few light blues.



lvl 60 monks with fungi, epic, and Tstaff are not having problems. But a casual monk like myself, no epic (Yes I am a slacker), no uber gear.. I am getting pounded



unless they change this.. I will have to move from a monk, to a bard or rogue. But 2 boxing now is pretty much out of the question, without having a cleric or C3.




Kraa Stormhammer



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42 here. Haven't really done much soloing since the patch.

Been in CoM as of late, only difference i noticed is that i have to FD a LOT more while grouping so as to lose aggro, otherwise i'm a WIMP and can no longer take hits very well.



I have been camping Grachnist the Destroyer in WArsliks for that confounded earring lately. My average is the ability to kill him 3 times before having to bandage and mend back to 75.



I will be going back to warsliks on the weekend to see IF i can even do Grachnist one time.



I play on FV so most all of my eqipment is in no way uber... or is it? I couldn't tell you because I don't play on blue servers. Mostly Reinforced acrylia. Monk Shackle and Exe hood.


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47 monk with mostly acrylia armor and GSC/fungi encrusted hammer.



At 45 i started soloing geos with alot of downtime...binding after every fight and occasionally able to two without binding in between. Made it up about 3/4 up before bottom geo spawned again.



At 47 (before patch) A lot less downtime and could clear ramp before first mob spawned again on bottom ramp.



At 47 (after patch) see at 45<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/frown.gif ALT=":("> it's like I lost two lvls





Just not there either...had started soloing giants in EW and GD...not anymore<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/frown.gif ALT=":(">



Oh well...thank god for guildie buffs, cuz i sure as hell need them now.





One last thing, starting my raster camp...anyone have trouble breaking room after patch? Just wondering...i'll find out soon enough since my monk is parked there now.



Ryathan

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low to mid 40s I solo'd yetis in the caves in DL. I had some down time, but with a cleric, or some other healer type I was able to cut down on downtime considerably. with the recent changes, i don;t know how viable that solution would be anymore.


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Not close to 40 yet, but soloing in the high 20's seems unchanged based on my Bind Wound/Mend usage.


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Fought a bit more in DL, once in a duo with a wizzie and then soloed... I guess you really have to pick who you are going to be soloing. Still level 44 w/940 ac, 1550hp and fungi, weapons - Jade Mace and SoS, so pretty decent. Soloability seems to have been severely altered. I had to fight mostly lowest possible dark blues. So you pick maybe Drolvarg Gnashers and stonegazers cockatrices and craig giants, those are all soloable, others that used to be soloable - ragers... no chance now.

Maybe people who say that at higher levels you are supposed to be fighting lower dark blue mobs are right. But that doesnt change the fact that mitigation has gone down by a huge amount. I guess I am supposed to be twinking myself even more to gain more AC and HP but many others who are not so lucky are screwed or limited to gaining levels at a much slower pace.

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I'm a level 51 monk and have been soloing the last 5 levels in DL. The day before the patch I moved to the Glacier Yeti caves where the mobs are 80% dark blue and the rest light blue. I fought approx 50 yetis until I got to 50% into lvl 50.



After the patch, I stayed in the caves and soloed till I dinged 51 on the same yetis. I currently had 930AC and 1350Hp so definitely not uber. I did not find any appreciable difference. Yes, some beat me pretty bad and I had to FD, but I had to do that before the patch also. I find that the higher level blues like the Ragers and Mountain Giant Steeps do hit me for max dmg more often, but I couldn't handle them before the patch anyways, unless I got lucky and they didn't hit me for a long stretch. So from my perspective, as long as I continue looking for the lower dark blues verging on light blue mobs, I can still solo.



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[Tempur]

thats about what i've found, Tuvaak. if the mob is bordering on light blue, i'm in good shape. i take a little more damage than before but nothing thats going to break me. its the high blues that are owning me. i guess its time to start looking for better HP gear.


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</p>Edited by: <A HREF=http://pub35.ezboard.com/ukevlan.showPublicProfile?language=EN>Kevlan</A> at: 10/18/02 3:11:23 pm

Sorry for post above, what I was trying to say was, grouped in KC today, at hands camp, I was getting owned when ever I'd get aggro. When I tried to split the WL room, I got toasted. Had to use mend before I reached the jail area, FD failed once, was dead before I could stand back up. I think this patch is hurting us casual players more than the uber monks, who I believe were the main reason this nerf came about... go figure... I tank about as well as my enchanter now...



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Just one question.......



HOW IN THE HELL DID SO MANY OF YOU SNAG A FUNGI TUNIC?



THIS SUX!


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44 iksar monk, 933 ac 1326 HP,



i soloed today in Echo, no problems! i seemed to kill the mobs easier than before, only getting down one red bub per fight,



i dont get hit as much as i did before, but when i do get hit

DAMN! its no better than if i where a Wizard with 255 AGI

it hurts! got quaded by a skelly for 75ish each hit...never had that happen before!



to me it feels more real....but like i said its the same to me...more Agi less i get hit...less dmg i take...no problem


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45 Iksar monk, with Acrylia for the most part. can't solo Dk blues w/o a lot of downtime. i'm usually left with 1 1/2 to 2 bulbs of life left and thats after using mend. forget about trying an even con, it wont happen. Problem is this is my main, I don't have a 55 druid of Wiz to fall back on. I solo'd to 45 and cant pull in a group now without getting beat down before i get back to the group. if im not soloing and not the puller and not the MT then im ok. but thats not very much fun. I started twinking out a Cleric instead now, so all the other Monks out there, I'll give you all an extra heal or 2 once i get him up a bit.



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44 Human Monk, I haven't solo'ed since level 11 believe it or not. I am also a casual gamer, and forced even moreso now with medical issue's.



My toon doesn't have uber gear, Acrylia Reinforced pants and tunic, Nathsar sleeves and bracer, Trance stick, Jade Mace, Footpads, SCHW that kind of thing. Nothing uber, but what I would consider to be moderate gear for my level.



My wife plays a 44 Ranger, of which we have always been together since level 11 and through the rest of our levels.



Her equipment inclues a Wurm Slayer, Lamentation, Ry'Gorr, FBSS, etc.



In a zone where we could safely pull regular blue mobs (what I consider to be high blue), we would do farily well with a minor bit of healing and medding before pulling another.



Attempting to hunt in Burning Woods is a joke now-a-days. Either she or I will pull, and if I pull aggro from her and FD at 60% health. If mend is available that is used, wait for about 10 seconds and rejoin the fight. While the mob was hitting me, it was snared, dotted and now being melee'd.



What used to be good for us casual gamers to accomplish xp by being able to successfully hunt one high blue mob for our level, results in 'aggro kiting' between us just to stay alive.



This is even the result when we are joined by our friend who is also level 44 Ranger.



It's hurt casual gamer's with under 1200AC quite a bit. It's getting to the point where it's not worth playing anymore.


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I had a tought about what the common denomenator might be. Some one should do a trial with very high AGI and another with base line AGI, and see if there is any difference. it would also be interesting to try and do this test with a stable AC, like one with 1200ac and 200 AGI and another with 1200ac and 100 AGI.



Just a thought, if any one has the ability to do this you should try it out.


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The most important stat to solo exp mobs has always been AC, not hp's with the right amount of AC a toon will take very little damage. Now the right amount of AC depends on your lvl and the mob you are fighting.



My twink warrior was able to solo an even con mob at lvl 37 and it was all thanks to his AC, in fact my warrior was able to solo easier then my twink monk but then his AC was always much higher.


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Lvl 54 monk here, was running through Buring woods headed into chardok. Usually i could run the entrance and then zone into chardok with the mobs tailing me.



Caster kept getting off spells so got stunned a lot and when they ran up behind me i blinked and i was dead. my ac and hp are pretty decent. i should have had died that fast and it was all melee damage. thats the first time i died like that ever.


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Like many others I have difficulty with soloing mobs that I was able to solo in the past. At level 45 - I feel like I am getting the damage a level 40 monk would get. I am in DL BTW.



Danalorne

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