So I want an REBB... Or do I? [Archive]

07-26-2003, 12:58 AM

Ok this is a multi question in itself... First, REBB is > Caens is it not?

Basicly my guild is partily flagged for Sol Ro including myself, but I expect it to be another few weeks before we are really hitting that zone hard. (basicly after we get the majority of the guild flagged) We do still hit Emp in Ssra when we catch him up during our raid time, but thats not super often however. Thus far we have basicly got ripped on loot from the Emp's we have encountered, including no Caens at all... (or other weapons of much value) So holding out for Caens may never lead anywhere. On the flipside their is the REBB which I understand is a fairly common drop off a mini in Sol Ro. And by my understanding, it also outdamages Caens which is nice as well.

Anyhow, I wonder what sort of force it would take to down the mini that drops the REBB (Jiva?) and roughly how common it really is, or if it is common at all...

Right now i duel wield a GMU and a HoH which nets good DPS, but I really dislike eating so many riposte when I go xp on my own.

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Quixtar Decerto

07-26-2003, 06:47 AM

Well to anwser your question, Caen's will be mine muahahahha. Err, really I have little to contribute other than my opinion, which is that given the choice i would choose caen's for the lifetap, just because lifetaps are cool like that.

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Sephie

07-26-2003, 07:47 AM

If you have a Caens, keep it until you get Zha, or if you really dont mind waiting, hold out for Staff of Trancendence. I know the Staff of Trancendence is a really long way away, but its the most significant upgrade in PoP, and Zha and REBB wouldn't be a very big leap in DPS.

If you dont have Caens, then get whichever drops for you first. Caens is too rare to be skipping REBB drops hoping to get it. Before you know it, you'll be done with emp, and done with Jiva, and you'll be empty handed. Of course for some guilds this means you'll be first in line for Zha <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/tongue.gif ALT=":p">

Recap: Keep Caens and wait for Zha or better if you have caens. Otherwise loot whichever you can get first.

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LaotzuQigong

07-26-2003, 07:52 AM

In a nutshell, take what you can get.

Technically, Rebb outdamages Caen's, but the difference in damage output is nothing massive.

Also, Rebb proc is 100 resisted in Fire and Solusek Ro (so lose some minor DPS there).

Not to mention, Caen's has LIFETAP. A very handy proc on alot of fights.

Imo, Rebb ~ Caen's as a practical weapon, though if you're 100 percent focussed on DPS, Rebb is the better choice.

As for common, it's not uncommon. A raid force of 30 to 40 can take down Jiva pretty consistently assuming you execute well. Though if you want Rebb's for everyone, figure you'll have to kill him alot. If you do, not so bad.

5 rebb's in my guild, 1 caen's. We've killed Emp and Jiva about the same number of times.

As for upgrading to Zha, Zha > Rebb but only if you can consistently stay above 1800 attack (read always have fa/savagery or are near attack cap). Otherwise, below 1800 attack, Rebb outdamages Zha in PoP, and if you still do Luclin stuff, Rebb outdamages anything in game pre-Time.

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07-26-2003, 10:11 AM

My guild is winding down on Emperor hits. In all or Emperor kills, we got very poor melee drops (only 2 Mocassins, 2 Swords, and 1 Caens that I am aware of). We got a truck load of caster gear. I missed the only raid that Caen's dropped, so when the REBB dropped on Jiva, I jumped at the chance.

Caen's has some nice abiliities, but I would definitely recommend to not hold out for it unless your guild is doing Emperor often. Plus another thing to consider is Jiva= 3 day spawn, Emperor = 7 day or on server reset. So chances for a REBB are higher percentage wise. I dont think you would be disappointed getting an REBB.

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07-26-2003, 12:07 PM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Well to anwser your question, Caen's will be mine muahahahha. Err, really I have little to contribute other than my opinion, which is that given the choice i would choose caen's for the lifetap, just because lifetaps are cool like that. <hr></blockquote>

Mwahahahhaa! We'll just see who has more points when something drops. (Haha, who am I kidding, we'll both get pwned by Zoranis and his mountain of raid points!)

Thanks for the input.

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07-26-2003, 12:49 PM

I was going for a Zha, but when an REBB dropped I put in a tell ... and all in all I've been extremely satisfied with it as solid dps with a safe delay.

My major gripe is, of course, that neither REBB or Zha is a significant DPS upgrade over Caen's, and utility wise Caen's is arguably better than either of them.

A lot of the Tier 3+ monk weapons should, imo, get upgrades to benchmark them both significantly above their old Luclin equivalents and significantly above the same-tier weapons that are useable by all melee classes.

Itemization, tricky devil.

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Schezar

07-26-2003, 06:56 PM

I have Caen's, REBB, and Zha's. If the mob has a dot or semi-annoying AE I'll use Caen's. If not I generally use Zha's if I can get good atk buffs, otherwise I use REBB.

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07-27-2003, 02:48 AM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>A raid force of 30 to 40 can take down Jiva pretty consistently assuming you execute well<hr></blockquote>

Can do any of the sol ro minis with < 30 if people know their job more than "Point and shoot"

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07-27-2003, 06:12 AM

Well Liz, I'll have to agree with everyone else here. If I were in your situation I'd get the one that drops first. Cean's and REBB are both wonderful 2hb's. Just get it and use it <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)">

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07-27-2003, 02:08 PM

I've got a Caen's and I really don't have much intention of going to the ReeB. We've about 10 active monks in our guild, and we hit Emperor every other spawn that he's up, and we've only got 3 Caen's to drop so far. The lifetap is nice, and it never gets resisted, and the DPS difference between the three isn't really enough to make a difference to me. An unresistable proc is pretty slick.

My advice would be for you though, to definately pick up whichever you can first. You'll be happy with any of the three. Then you can start eyeballing h2h items for shits and giggles.

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07-27-2003, 02:28 PM

Well for me, I have a Caen's staff from all our emp kills. About 10 kills with 6 drops of caen's I believe. (Yes our guild hates monks cause our stuff drops so much it rots hehe.) I only picked up my caen's on our last emp raid cause well 2 dropped and one went to a bst applicant and instead of letting the second one rot, I decided to spend the merit on it. Is a great staff i wish i didn't spend the merit cause well the difference was me waiting a few extra weeks on a chance at an aten neck but that is off topic hehe. I plan to get one of the first two REBB's when our guild hits up Jiva. I could get the first but probably will let the monk below me take it since he only has the 2hb from Aerin'dar and also to see what guild will price it at merit wise. I wanted a REBB from the start so to be getting both is no biggie.

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Schezar

07-27-2003, 10:23 PM

That's a pointless way to do DKP, I've always thought. If it's going to rot because noone wants, it's better to let a class that can use just loot it. That's the way we do it, honestly. I got Caen's because literally noone else at raid wanted it. Was 0 points. Same for REBB. Were 2 monks there, both had Caen's.

We do need and DKP both, really. DKP to keep track of attendance and drops and such, but officers make decisions on all drops.

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azathool

07-28-2003, 05:18 AM

18 Emp kills.. zero Caens.

2 Jiva kills. Three REBB.

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Glaydor

07-29-2003, 01:54 PM

where would you throw the staff of the 4 winds from chaoswind in bot? with it I currently do about 75dps not including proc (and the thing procs like a mofo). With innerflame I do about 80 not including procs. For AA's I have cf2 wu4 pb1. Attack hovers around 1200. Maybe over 1300 fully raid buffed. (and soon to be more once I get keyed to sleepers and get the fistwraps)

Salinor

07-30-2003, 01:25 PM

I second that. With full offensive aa, 41% haste+sov, and my atk normally hovering in 1400-1500, I'm doing 120-130ish dps with GSo4W. I'm not sure where you are getting your parse data from unless maybe you are unhasted or there is something else wrong. Even with no offensive AA I'd expect at least 100+ dps from the staff.

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Sensei Kadd

07-30-2003, 01:53 PM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>About 10 kills with 6 drops of caen's I believe.<hr></blockquote>This made me cry tears of despair.

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07-30-2003, 03:22 PM

For 2hb I was using the Staff of 4 Winds prior to my REBB. If you look at pure modal, it falls behind the Caen's and the REBB. It is ahead of the Staff of Flowing Water a good bit. It is a good 2hb until you get a shot at something better and isnt that shabby. The process is kind of weak so dont really look at it as a deciding factor. One thing bad with this Staff is that it can be used by more than just monks and beastlords so depending on your situation, you may have a harder chance of winning one on a raid.

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Xukanik

07-30-2003, 03:55 PM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>where would you throw the staff of the 4 winds from chaoswind in bot? with it I currently do about 75dps not including proc (and the thing procs like a mofo). With innerflame I do about 80 not including procs. For AA's I have cf2 wu4 pb1. Attack hovers around 1200. Maybe over 1300 fully raid buffed. (and soon to be more once I get keyed to sleepers and get the fistwraps) <hr></blockquote>

75DPS from SOT4W Humm one of us must have a bad parcer i do 120-140 DSP with low atk 1300 and i so 140-170 with 1600+ Atk hit 205 DPS with disc for 1 fight.

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07-30-2003, 10:14 PM

only had 1 parse so far, so not really a good example. Need to one of those and do an actual average parse with it. Haste is SSBS and was done in bot. Hat VQ for spell haste. cant recall other

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