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05-22-2003, 04:02 PM
Hello all,



What do you feel is the best class to Duo with a monk? At the moment I have a friend that's a 33 Cleric. We were toying with the idea of PL'ing a Shaman up to monks level. However, it sure would be easier to get the cleric to 45-50 than having shaman go from 1 to 45-50. Is it going to be feesable for us to continue to duo when we get 50+ as the monk/cleric combo?





Thanks for your time, ^_^






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05-22-2003, 07:35 PM
Most will say that a Shammy is the best duo partner for a monk. Haste/ slows/ buffs/ pet etc. Clerics, druids etc work well too.



From my experience, a monk can 2 box with a cleric right up to (and including) tier one PoP. Regardless of gear quality, tier two PoP and above you really do need a slower, as the mobs just hit too fast and hard unslowed.


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05-23-2003, 09:11 PM
Shaman all the way.



Clerics are fine at lower levels. Higher levels are much much better with the Shaman slowing the mobs and can heal quite well. Not to mention that the Shaman buffs are just plain Godly. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)">


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05-26-2003, 06:43 AM
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urkira
05-27-2003, 11:52 AM
Definatly either a cleric or a shaman. Druids are better at soloing, and once you hit the higher levels youll find that your monk slows your druid down more than he helps him.



IMO if you are starting 2 charecters from level one and are going to 2 box. Go with monk/shaman. Having pocket haste and regen from the getgo will make your earlier levels a ton easier



But If you already have a high level monk and you are twinking/pling a bot...go with cleric.



From a Strict Healing Standpoint....



IN the end of the end the Shaman will most likley end up being the better partner to the monk than the cleric. Using a combination of Slow and Torpor and high aggro spells to keep the Mob on the Shaman the Monk/Shaman duo can pretty easily do tier 2 where as the cleric and monk will have a harder time.



BUT before you click that shaman button remember this...it takes a lot more work and a lot more time to get a shaman to the level where they are useful than it does to get a cleric to the level that they are useful. A cleric is useful and helpful starting from level 39. A shaman doesnt really become good until well into the 50s. A level 50 cleric and a level 60 monk can do tier one mobs. Youd need a level 58 shaman.



Additionally to truly get a shaman to max potential you need level 60 and the spell torpor...a spell that is going to run you 40k or a 10+ hour camp in the bowels of OS behind locked doors where you will need a rogue with you at all times. Rememeber that also.



From a Utility Standpoint



Both the cleric and the shaman have impressive utility abilities asside from there damage mitigation abilities...IMO though the clerics utility increases with levels while the shaman's decreases. How do they size up?



Shamans get haste but at high levels that becomes less important if you have your epic. Shamans can buff your stats and hp...clerics can massivly buff your hp/ac I personally find that HP > all so I like cleric buffs better. Additionally Ageo/Virtue has better tradability with other casters than other buffs.



While clerics cant slow they can reduce damage output of mobs with stuns, and are far more effciant healers than shamans.



Clerics are better at crowd control and pulling than shaman. With stuns, roots, mem blurs and pacify a cleric can totally remove an unwanted add from the fight rather than just holding him off for a while by training it away and bluring it. Clerics also make it a lot easier to get around than shamans. While shamans have invis clerics can pacify and invis vs undead a much more potent moving combo than just invis.



One area where shamans kick the clerics ass is in mana regeneration...there is no getting around that...clerics will definatly have more downtime than the shaman



Shamans can do more damamge than clerics with there dots but cleric nukes are still respectable in a pinch. Clerics also have AoE which is nice if you farming. Clerics also have fear and snare (if dark elf) so you can fear kite without haveing to rely on ID



and Clerics can of course res...which in addition to saving you time, exo, and money has a variety of utility uses...especially as a poor mans bind. It can also be used as a quick way to raise some extra cash if you need some PP. As can casting virtue/boa in nexus.



Finally, from the perspective of raid utility...a raid only needs a couple of shaman to be effective...any more than 3 and the rest are usually going to be standing around...but there is no limit to the number of clerics that a raid needs, you really cant have to many. So if you are raiding consider the value your bot brings to the table there



I spent a lot of time considering each classes strengths and weaknessess and finally decided to go with a cleric over a shaman. But in the end its your choice what you want


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05-27-2003, 04:02 PM
Urkira,



Wow, thank you for your informative information. I feel much better now about us choosing cleric with my monk. Right now Monk is level 50 and cleric is almost 41. I'm still trying to PL that cleric. I've been grouping him with me and I've been killing Kodiaks in GD who are low-light-blue critters (to monk) and cleric usually gets about 0.75%-1% xp per kill. I've heard that I can fight a mob down to 5% life and then FD to let the cleric take the kill, but from my experience, the cleric never got the xp. If I continue to group cleric where would you recommend to go to get cleric good xp? I'm trying to get him as close to 50 as I can, so we are the same level and can then fight normally.











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05-28-2003, 01:55 PM
Ummmmm..... SHAMMY :-D

They have all ur favorite buffs ex(stam, str, dex, haste.....). They can debuff ex(snare, slow, cripple.....). And they just look darn cool ex(big pretty polar bear).


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05-28-2003, 03:38 PM
I'll say it again... Shammies are your friend <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif ALT=":D"> MY girlfriend is a 56 shaman and my god can we go through some mobs <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"> We tear things up it's so cool <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smokin.gif ALT=":smokin">


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06-01-2003, 09:47 PM
What are the advantages of Shammie/Monk over Shammie/Warrior? FD, obviously. DPS, is higher, but how much higher? 20%? Seems like the higher AC on the warrior would prevent a bit of dmg, so shammie could dot more and heal less. Or am I giving warriors too much credit?


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Ssyn
06-02-2003, 02:13 AM
I'd say more like 40-50% if grouped with a Cleric. Self haste owns on the Monks with Epic.



To PL the Cleric... If they run have the Cleric root and nuke after you've feigned. Root is the key for runners.


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