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Rten
12-01-2015, 01:04 AM
I wanted to compare a bunch of options to see how DPS varies when we switch up our burns. These are all 10 minute parses so not great but should be +/- 3% or so. I only had self buffs with 16% OH Doomscale RK3 and Prokev RK3... no bard, no ADPS nothing else special.

I have attached a jpg of the table.... I cannot figure out how to get the damn thing to display clearly in this post.

The teaser is no discs is 32.2k and the max disc burn was 206.7k... yeah that much of a range with JUST auto attack

Infusion of Thunder 60 seconds
Eye of the Storm 180 seconds
Dichotomic Form 56 seconds
1st Spire 60 seconds
2nd Spire 60 seconds
Drunken Monkey Style 48 seconds
Dragon's balance 112 seconds
Speed Focus 30 Seconds
Terror Palm 30 seconds
Iron Fist 60 seconds
Destructive Force 36-40 seconds
Focused Destructive Force 36-40 seconds


So based on my parses you start with:
Dragon's Balance, 1st Spire, Infusion of Thunder, Dichotomic Form, Speed Focus, Destructive Force... and you should hit them in that order.

When Speed drops, insta click Terror Palm... so that you get as much overlap on destructive force as you can and in the remaining 1 min should have most things wear off.

If the fight only last for speed focus, use Crane then. If it lasts into terror but not longer, use Crane then.

If the fight last past 1 min, then it is mostly conjecture and damn little proof, but *my* plan is to use Heel or Ironfist depending on how much time to go and when I am aiming for using Crane. Conventional wisdom has crane being best when paired with Ironfist.

I have done 0 parsing of Heel of Zagali, so it is possible that it should take priority. Based on the small sample size 10 min parses on Heel are much less useful.

Anyways, as always please discuss and add comments! I have updated this from my original post and have added additional parses! And I fixed the typo in the older uploaded jpg.

sensei savager
12-01-2015, 09:26 AM
I'm going to assume that you forgot a number in the terrorpalm burn, also why no dicho/speed/infusion/dragon/SECOND/DF? the highest burn I've seen was using that setup and I went for 456k on a raid target in fear.

Kimosavi
12-01-2015, 05:21 PM
What weps you guys parsing with? I did a few short 3min parses last night and im struggling to get above 150 (straight autoattack). Im using Staff of Divinity 2H and for the H2H parses I ran was using Flamewind and Hands of the Destroyer. Only thing different is I was using Focussed Destructive on the test dummy. Also did a burn one clicking Iron / Crane, clicked it off and went into Speed and could only muster 221 (probably just a bad roll on that one but still). Rangers are going mental on our raids which sucks for us as we offer no utility outside of our own contribution.

Rten
12-01-2015, 09:16 PM
I use Adbreviura with an 18dmg aug so 275 dmg 23 delay. Focused destructive is dramatically less damage. If you look at my parses you will see it is like 150k dps vs 206k dps to do focused vs destructive.

Kimosavi
12-02-2015, 05:08 AM
Speedfocus 3min parses - Ranger Buffs / Sham Buffs / Shared Merciless Fero 3 / Fists of Wu - all run with lvl 1 Dicho

** Staff of Glaring Divinity - 256/23 ** Auto Attack Only
Dragons Balance / 1st Spire / Infusion / Dicho / Speedfocus / Destructive Force

Combat Dummy Caza in 181s, 27709k @153087sdps --- Kimosavi 27709k@153087sdps (153087dps in 181s) [100%] Glaring Staff
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** Flamewind 136/18 & Hands of the Destroyer 135/18 ** Auto Attack Only
Dragons Balance / 1st Spire / Infusion / Dicho / Speedfocus / Destructive Force

Combat Dummy Caza in 182s, 23768k @130591sdps --- Kimosavi 23768k@130591sdps (130591dps in 182s) [100%]

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** Staff of Glaring Divinity - 256/23 ** Auto Attack Only
Dragons Balance / 1st Spire / Infusion / Dicho / Speedfocus / Focused Destructive Force

Combat Dummy Caza in 182s, 25940k @142525sdps --- Kimosavi 25940k@142525sdps (142525dps in 182s) [100%]

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** Flamewind 136/18 & Hands of the Destroyer 135/18 ** Auto Attack Only
Dragons Balance / 1st Spire / Infusion / Dicho / Speedfocus / Focused Destructive Force

Combat Dummy Caza in 181s, 20102k @111058sdps --- Kimosavi 20102k@111058sdps (111058dps in 181s) [100%]

** Terrorpalm to Follow **

Kimosavi
12-02-2015, 05:32 AM
Terrorpalm 3min parses - Ranger Buffs / Sham Buffs / Shared Merciless Fero 3 / Fists of Wu - all run with lvl 1 Dicho

** Flamewind 136/18 & Hands of the Destroyer 135/18 ** Auto Attack Only
Dragons Balance / 1st Spire / Infusion / Dicho / Terrorpalm / Focused Destructive Force

Combat Dummy Caza in 181s, 16620k @91821sdps --- Kimosavi 16620k@91821sdps (91821dps in 181s) [100%]
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** Staff of Glaring Divinity 256/23 ** Auto Attack Only
Dragons Balance / 1st Spire / Infusion / Dicho / Terrorpalm / Focused Destructive Force

Combat Dummy Caza in 181s, 21778k @120320sdps --- Kimosavi 21778k@120320sdps (120320dps in 181s) [100%]
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** Flamewind 136/18 & Hands of the Destroyer 135/18 ** Auto Attack Only
Dragons Balance / 1st Spire / Infusion / Dicho / Terrorpalm / Destructive Force

Combat Dummy Caza in 181s, 18028k @99605sdps --- Kimosavi 18028k@99605sdps (99605dps in 181s) [100%]
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** Staff of Glaring Divinity 256/23 ** Auto Attack Only
Dragons Balance / 1st Spire / Infusion / Dicho / Terrorpalm / Destructive Force

Combat Dummy Caza in 181s, 23419k @129389sdps --- Kimosavi 23419k@129389sdps (129389dps in 181s) [100%]

** Eye of The Storm to Follow **

Kimosavi
12-02-2015, 05:52 AM
Eye Of The Storm 3min parses - Ranger Buffs / Sham Buffs / Shared Merciless Fero 3 / Fists of Wu - all run with lvl 1 Dicho

** Staff of Glaring Divinity - 256/23 ** Auto Attack Only
Dragons Balance / 1st Spire / Infusion / Dicho / EOTS / Destructive Force

Combat Dummy Caza in 181s, 22336k @123404sdps --- Kimosavi 22336k@123404sdps (123404dps in 181s) [100%]
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** Flamewind 136/18 & Hands of the Destroyer 135/18 ** Auto Attack Only
Dragons Balance / 1st Spire / Infusion / Dicho / EOTS / Destructive Force

/GU Combat Dummy Caza in 181s, 18686k @103237sdps --- Kimosavi 18686k@103237sdps (103237dps in 181s) [100%]

** Didnt bother with the focused parses for EOTS as its obviously less dps evident by the previous parses **

Sorry to hijack the thread and fill it full of parses - thought it might be handy for others to see the results. Bit of a downer mine are quite a bit less than yours just using autoattack. Guess thats attributable to the extra 19dmg on your 2h as opposed to mine. Quite a difference in results though. What also surprised me was how close Terrorpalm and EOTS are now.

I think they've broken Terrorpalm - clearly doesn't have the output it used to !!

Terrorpalm
1: Increase All Skills Damage Modifier by 157%
2: Increase All Skills Minimum Damage Modifier by 812%

Eye Of The Storm
1: Increase All Skills Damage Modifier by 40%
2: Increase All Skills Minimum Damage Modifier by 160%
3: Contact_Ability_2 (312)

Kaliaila
12-02-2015, 05:57 AM
I use Adbreviura with an 18dmg aug so 275 dmg 23 delay. Focused destructive is dramatically less damage. If you look at my parses you will see it is like 150k dps vs 206k dps to do focused vs destructive.

Which brings up the exact question I was going to ask. Why is Focused Destructive Force less DPS? If you are attacking a single NPC, going with the descriptions given should not the DPS from using Focused Destructive Force be within the margin of error of which you would find using Destructive Force?

I am mostly pointing this out because if our Focused Destructive Force is not working correctly then we should see about getting it looked at now. If I didn't know better then I would say that our Focused Destructive Force is suffering from what Destructive Force suffered from prior the patch which both Added Focused Destructive Force as well as made Destructive Force add an entire round as opposed to just a single hit to our primary.
(206686 x 600) - (146565 x 600) = 87,939,000 dmg difference. The SF-Hasted Delay would be approximately 5.45886 which would be 0.545886 seconds; 600 divided by that is about 1099.13043 effectively 1099 rounds. But that would still require that would be about 80,017.3 dmg being added in each of those missing double/triple/flurries on average.

Zarie
12-07-2015, 02:06 PM
Drool!!
Zarie
Created on Rodcet Nife merged with Quellious then again with Povar.

Gorkeyah
12-07-2015, 10:17 PM
My highest was heel with stuff you wouldn't usually use with heel because they're better used with other discs

shaman haste instead of chanter (225), no beast or ranger buffs, no adps buffs. Activated: 2nd spire, zanfi, infusion of thunder, Dragon's balance rk3, Dichotomic form, focused destructive force. 15hh from fists of fury. Lvl 110 parse dummy

Heel of Zagali rk3 going:
Combat Dummy Azia in 319s, 78574k @246314 --- #0 Gorkeyah 78574k@(246314 in 319s) [100%]

Same thing but with speedfocus:
Combat Dummy Azia in 311s, 60769k @195398 --- #1 Gorkeyah 60769k@(195398 in 311s) [100%]

SoroxDrinal
12-10-2015, 02:27 PM
From recent separate 10 minute parses after thunderfoot "fix",
heel3 was 325k (with FoF proc up)
SF 295k
Terror3 270k with FoF proc up
Iron2 265k with FoF proc up

This was bard and shaman buffed, infusion, dragon3, DF (not FDF), dich form, tribute, power source. full AAs. All burns used keybind every 300 mS.

I did not use any monk spires, nor reset ZanFi for the 10 procs, nor BP click.

Adbreviura with an 16dmg aug so 273 dmg 23 delay vs level 105 dummy

Kaliaila
12-12-2015, 05:38 AM
For anyone who is curious, apparently the difference between using DF and FDF is all due to the extra AE hit. DF results in normal melee round + extra melee round + 1 AE hit; while FDF only results in normal melee round + extra melee round. I am rather amazed that the extra hit from each normal melee round is going to result in an extra 60k dps.

sensei savager
12-12-2015, 01:18 PM
Just don't use it on a raid where there's charm/fear AEs. People get kind of upset.

Rten
12-24-2015, 11:28 AM
If someone with the same weapon can re-run my max parse I would appreciate it. Remember I am an old school cleave snob. So I am still using cultural to get the max out of that. It would be very interesting to compare the same buffs and weapon normal armor to see how it stacks up!

Nedrom
12-31-2015, 05:43 PM
I was promised dirty and ive yet to see any

The Yanger
01-02-2016, 03:34 AM
I'm pretty dirty.