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Dythan Dabrave
05-07-2015, 07:32 PM
I'm thinking of doing this. Last I played EQ was GoD, and I've been waxing nostolgic with the lack of any good MMO's lately.

Anyone else gonna try?

https://forums.daybreakgames.com/eq/index.php?threads/new-progression-server-faq-and-upcoming-poll-details.219588/

Ishtass
05-07-2015, 08:02 PM
I'll probably poke in to unlock the next expansion for folks :cool:

Kaliaila
05-15-2015, 06:20 PM
The majority of the population for it is going to be returning players as well as people on Fippy and Vulak starting over there. A good number of people on the live servers will make toons for the initial race but after they hit the cap, hit a bad patch, or just get bored they will go back to their live server mains, possibly coming back for votes and new expansion releases up till around the 2-3 year mark or GoD. After that true population drops fast.

For the inevitable Questions, our bare fisted H2H damage formula as found by Raynard on the DBG EQ forums (https://forums.daybreakgames.com/eq/index.php?threads/level-50-monk-fist-dps.224350/page-3#post-3315427) is floor(h2h_skill/15)+3; where the floor function means always round down (similar/same? as truncate). The Delay for our bare fists is a constant 38, unless you have the Epic 1.0 equipped in which case it drops to 26 delay (https://forums.daybreakgames.com/eq/index.php?threads/level-50-monk-fist-dps.224350/page-3#post-3314558).

Using the above information we get the following chart thru 314 skill (which included level 60):
Level(skill) - Level(skill): Dmg/Dly: Epic Dmg/Dly
1(0) --------- 2(14)___:__ 3/38 __:___ 3/26*
2(15) -------- 3(29)___:__ 4/38 __:___ 4/26*
3(30) -------- 5(44)___:__ 5/38 __:___ 5/26*
5(45) -------- 6(59)___:__ 6/38 __:___ 6/26*
6(60) -------- 8(74)___:__ 7/38 __:___ 7/26*
8(75) -------- 9(89)___:__ 8/38 __:___ 8/26*
9(90) -------- 11(104)_:__ 9/38 __:___ 9/26*
11(105) ----- 14(119)_:__ 10/38 __:__ 10/26*
14(120) ----- 17(134)_:__ 11/38 __:__ 11/26*
17(135) ----- 20(149)_:__ 12/38 __:__ 12/26*
20(150) ----- 23(164)_:__ 13/38 __:__ 13/26*
23(165) ----- 26(179)_:__ 14/38 __:__ 14/26*
27(180) ----- 30(194)_:__ 15/38 __:__ 15/26*
30(195) ----- 34(209)_:__ 16/38 __:__ 16/26*
34(210) ----- 38(224)_:__ 17/38 __:__ 17/26*
38(225) ----- 41(239)_:__ 18/38 __:__ 18/26*
42(240) ----- 45(254)_:__ 19/38 __:__ 19/26*
45(255) ----- 50(269)_:__ 20/38 __:__ 20/26*
50(270) ----- 55(284)_:__ 21/38 __:__ 21/26
55(285) ----- 60(299)_:__ 22/38 __:__ 22/26
60(300) ----- ??(314)_:__ 23/38 __:__ 23/26

*It is no longer possible to obtain our 1.0 before level 46; these numbers are only included for those who either delevel to below 46 or obtained the Monk 1.0 before they added the level check on the final turn in a couple years back.

And how our weight limit works. (http://everquest.fanra.info/wiki/Monk#Weight_limits)


The information below was found to be incorrect recently(August 2015); left here for continuity of older posts:

For the inevitable Questions, our bare HtH ratios (http://www.monkly-business.net/forums/showpost.php?p=207148&postcount=32) (added the link where Wycca originally posted this list) are:

Level/Skill/Dmg/Delay
# 5__ 34___5___37
#10__64___7___35
#15__94___9___34
#20__124__11__33
#25__150__13__31
#30__175__14__30
#35__200__16__29
#40__220__17__28
#45__240__19__27
#50__260__20__26
#55__280__21__25
#60__295__22__24
#65__310__23__24
#70__325__24__23
#75__335__25__23
#80__345__26__22

wycca
05-28-2015, 12:58 PM
....and I can't find my original post

Anyone have what I said epic 1.0 did exactly?

PS - I'm on Ragefire, although not as a monk. /wave old timers

Kaliaila
05-29-2015, 08:12 AM
....and I can't find my original post

Anyone have what I said epic 1.0 did exactly?

PS - I'm on Ragefire, although not as a monk. /wave old timers
Epic 1.0 when equipped and we have no weapons equipped gives us an effective hth skill of 280 for determining our bare handed dmg/dly, but only if our natural hth skill is less than 280. At least that was what you said back then. I thought I had put that, but I am guessing I probably just thought I did because I had said it so much in Ragefire general and monk channels.

chowa
05-29-2015, 12:09 PM
Does this hold true for the dmg/dly with epic and fists only? i know it is old but just wanted to know. It's ffrom Bodi's page

http://www.castle-grounds.co.uk/eq/monkepicquest.htm



and hi everyone!

Kaliaila
05-30-2015, 04:17 AM
Does this hold true for the dmg/dly with epic and fists only? i know it is old but just wanted to know. It's ffrom Bodi's page

http://www.castle-grounds.co.uk/eq/monkepicquest.htm

and hi everyone!
The dmg/dly values on Bodi's page are out of date. I mentioned it above, but now the epic 1.0 grants us 21/25 ratio, i.e. the equivalent of a 280 skill; but only if our skill is less than 280.

About 7 1/2 years ago they did a complete revamp of the hth skill in general and the monk bare fists in particular. The revamp resulting in the bare fist ratios being dependent not upon the person being a monk of a certain level but solely upon the skill level of the hth skill that the person had. Monks (and Beastlords to a lesser degree) of course have access to much higher hth skill and have it at much lower levels. The table that I listed in my first post is the result of that revamp (at least the only numbers any of us, specifically Wycca, ever were given).

After the revamp monks immediately realized that it resulted in our epic 1.0 now being detrimental to our bare handed dps is we equipped it in most situations due to a 9/16 ratio being significantly worse than ratios of 19/27, 20/26, 21/25, and so on; as a result a few weeks later they revamped how our epic 1.0 worked. When we equip our epic now if we are fighting bare handed our epic will check if our hth skill; if it is less than 280 then our epic will force formula which determines our bare handed dmg/dly to use 280 as our skill; giving us a 21/25 ratio. If our skill is 280 or higher then our epic 1.0 is ignored and our actual skill is used to determine our ratio.

This was great for twinking for a long time, but then about 2-3 years ago they went back and added in level checks to all of the final turn ins/combines that give the epic 1.0s. So epics which involved either a no drop item from fear or hate in the final combine or a final turn in that took place in a planar zone were left alone. But epics like ours, which could previously be Multi-Quested allowing a level 1 monk to gain the 1.0, had a level check added before the NPC accepts the items; now all characters must be at least level 46 to do the final turn in.

wycca
08-20-2015, 10:22 PM
As best as parsing can tell, reports are that lvl 50 human monk bare fists are 21/38. Looks like something changed or Maddoc's formula isn't what it should be.

Regardless, it does mean monks aren't op atm on TLP, and bare fists are still good, just not necessarily super OP.

Dythan Dabrave
08-20-2015, 11:11 PM
I just got whitened treant fists x2 tonight. 14/28. does the 10 better delay make up for the 7 damage?

Seemed like my max hit dropped from 90 to 65ish, but i wasn;t really paying attention. hmm i guess a couple of proc augs would also adds a few dps as well.

Kaliaila
08-21-2015, 03:11 AM
I think that the 10 delay should make up for a .0526... difference in ratio; but really best way to tell would be to a parse.

Kaliaila
08-23-2015, 03:53 PM
I updated my original post with the new information we have found via actual parsing and reverse calculating of damage results.