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sensei savager
12-16-2014, 11:41 PM
2hander augging for Dex

/GU Combat Dummy Fana in 6843s, 158075k @23100dps --- Savager 158075k @23100dps

2hander augging for str

/GU Combat Dummy Fana in 6800s, 157205k @23118dps --- Savager 157205k @23118dps

1handers augging for dex

/GU Combat Dummy Fana in 13011s, 280191k @21535dps --- Savager 280191k @21535dps

1handers augging for str

/GU Combat Dummy Fana in 6801s, 146537k @21546dps --- Savager 146537k @21546dps

2Hander used was Adbreviura with the 18dmg aug. 1Handers were Pugnoriu and Vifensa with 11 and 10dmg augs respectively. Lost 112 STR and gained the same amount of DEX and vice versa.

Just auto attack

Obiziana
12-17-2014, 11:18 AM
TLDR: It don't f'ing matter dex or str...

Rten
12-17-2014, 11:33 AM
Hey Savager, thanks for taking the time to do the parses. A couple of quick confirmation questions:
It was Heroic Str/Dex that was changed? Did your crit % change with the dex?


The more interesting thing is that it appears that 2hb is out parsing 1h...

Piggymonk
12-18-2014, 02:19 AM
Savager, what is your mainhand when you use 1hander? Vifensa the 18dly 1hb or Pugnoriu the h2h? Really curious the mainhand choice, thank you for the parse!

sensei savager
12-18-2014, 10:59 PM
One handers with dex:
/tell Savager Savager -vs- Combat Dummy Fana: -- DMG: 280190691 -- DPS: 21535 -- Scaled: 21535 -- Punch: 167182680 -- Crush: 109045514 -- DirDmg: 3962497 -- Non-crit rate: 74.2% -- crit rate: 25.8% -- Attempts: 123181 -- Hits: 102051 -- Missed: 21130 -- Accuracy: 82.8% -- Avg Hit: 2745 -- Max hit: 6079 -- DMG to PC: 0

One handers with str:
/tell Savager Savager -vs- Combat Dummy Fana: -- DMG: 146536559 -- DPS: 21546 -- Scaled: 21546 -- Punch: 87754363 -- Crush: 56680509 -- DirDmg: 2101687 -- Non-crit rate: 74.8% -- crit rate: 25.2% -- Attempts: 64488 -- Hits: 53471 -- Missed: 11017 -- Accuracy: 82.9% -- Avg Hit: 2740 -- Max hit: 6090 -- DMG to PC: 0

2hander with dex:
/tell Savager Savager -vs- Combat Dummy Fana: -- DMG: 158074824 -- DPS: 23100 -- Scaled: 23100 -- Crush: 155913617 -- DirDmg: 2161207 -- Non-crit rate: 75.1% -- crit rate: 24.9% -- Attempts: 35097 -- Hits: 29112 -- Missed: 5985 -- Accuracy: 82.9% -- Avg Hit: 5429 -- Max hit: 11837 -- DMG to PC: 0

2hander with str:
/tell Savager Savager -vs- Combat Dummy Fana: -- DMG: 157205459 -- DPS: 23118 -- Scaled: 23118 -- Crush: 155139919 -- DirDmg: 2065540 -- Non-crit rate: 75.5% -- crit rate: 24.5% -- Attempts: 34657 -- Hits: 28928 -- Missed: 5729 -- Accuracy: 83.5% -- Avg Hit: 5434 -- Max hit: 11848 -- DMG to PC: 0

Yes it was heroic STR switched out for heroic DEX.
I used the h2h, Pugnoriu in the mainhand and Vifensa (the blunt) in the offhand.

Piggymonk
12-22-2014, 09:56 AM
the Fearband of RoF tier4 is a dly 18 1hand blunt which can outparse h2h due to the Tonfa AA iirc(someone posted their parse here...)

I really wonder how the 1hb would perform nowdays on mainhand especially for those 18 delay type.

Anyway, thanks for the parsing Savager!

sensei savager
12-23-2014, 09:17 PM
2hb augged for str having fists of wu blocked and metal PS (the original parses had the thule island PS)

/GU Combat Dummy Fana in 4782s, 74523k @15584dps --- Savager 74523k @15584dps

1handers (h2h primary, 1hb secondary) augged for str, fists of wu blocked, metal ps

/GU Combat Dummy Fana in 4784s, 69890k @14609dps --- Savager 69890k @14609dps

1handers (1hb primary, h2h secondary) augged for str, fists of wu blocked, metal ps

/GU Combat Dummy Fana in 4787s, 68795k @14371dps --- Savager 68795k @14371dps

Also, switched the 11dmg and 10 dmg aug to keep the 11dmg aug in the primary

Piggymonk
12-23-2014, 09:36 PM
Great parses, thanks for so much info sir!

and Merry Xmas to all !

Nedrom
12-26-2014, 01:48 AM
Why block Fists of Wu?

sensei savager
12-26-2014, 12:08 PM
I was thinking maybe that's what was causing 2hb to outparse dual wielding the 1handers but that doesn't seem to be the case

sensei savager
04-13-2015, 07:28 PM
Doing parses now for stacking cleave with cultural armor vs class specific armor. Stacking cleave seems to be outparsing the class specific armor at the moment. Will post the parses some time tomorrow. Put cleave in every slot besides one wrist which I put a fero aug in vs having all the class specific armor in every visible slot. Kept the heroics on augs the same.

sensei savager
04-14-2015, 04:56 AM
With class specific armor:

/GU Combat Dummy Ena in 50340s, 1177099k @23383dps --- Savager 1177099k @23383dps

/tell Savager Savager -vs- Combat Dummy Ena: -- DMG: 1177099079 -- DPS: 23383 -- Scaled: 23383 -- Crush: 1161279347 -- DirDmg: 15819732 -- Non-crit rate: 74.2% -- crit rate: 25.8% -- Attempts: 257807 -- Hits: 213817 -- Missed: 43990 -- Accuracy: 82.9% -- Avg Hit: 5505 -- Max hit: 11826 -- DMG to PC: 0

With cultural stacking cleave:

/GU Combat Dummy Ena in 52712s, 1285019k @24378dps --- Savager 1285019k @24378dps

/tell Savager Savager -vs- Combat Dummy Ena: -- DMG: 1285018673 -- DPS: 24378 -- Scaled: 24378 -- Crush: 1267112207 -- DirDmg: 17906466 -- Non-crit rate: 74.5% -- crit rate: 25.5% -- Attempts: 269927 -- Hits: 224263 -- Missed: 45664 -- Accuracy: 83.1% -- Avg Hit: 5729 -- Max hit: 12076 -- DMG to PC: 0

The problem is I'm not sure how much dps will be lost if using cleave by the loss of the +FK and +TC damage that is on the class specific armor. Maybe I'll switch the armors out for a couple different raid nights and do a combined comparison in the near future.

Rten
04-14-2015, 01:19 PM
Thank you for doing the cleave parses, what was the total amount of cleave you stacked in? I am imagining the common sense approach is TS w/ cleave on 1 wrist and all the rest of the slots but chest and arms... with the other wrist being fero, and the chest staying dropped armor for the defensive reduction benefit while the raid arms have slightly more cleave than cultural arms as I recall.

Frank/Rten

sensei savager
04-14-2015, 02:52 PM
I switched out everything but arms and 1 wrist like you said. I was only doing parses so I switched out the BP as well. So I added 252 cleave. I'm thinking that I may switch out head and hands for my dps setup that way I only lose the +TC damage and none of the +FK damage but I'll do the different parses first like I said earlier. Also had 1 wrist as fero since I switched out legs.

Phreaky
04-15-2015, 03:44 PM
My guess is that it probably comes out in the wash. It's correct that +FK and +TC dmg is added on the end after crits, etc. right? If so it's no different than cleave and probably winds up being statistically moot.

Do let us know what you find though, it's good info. Combines from raids have a ton of variables in them however so probably taken best with a big grain of salt.

Another factor to consider is 1h vs 2hb. Clearly the cleave stacking makes a bigger difference with the 1h weapons as you're adding 250 dmg to each hit. That's a very different DPS increase for dual 1hs, vs a single 2hb. It may be worth seeing if the cleave stacking undoes the advantage that 2hb currently has for innate dps.

sensei savager
04-17-2015, 03:51 PM
Another factor to consider is 1h vs 2hb. Clearly the cleave stacking makes a bigger difference with the 1h weapons as you're adding 250 dmg to each hit. That's a very different DPS increase for dual 1hs, vs a single 2hb. It may be worth seeing if the cleave stacking undoes the advantage that 2hb currently has for innate dps.

I'll have to run those parses next week as well. I would LOVE to start using 1 handers again!

Kaliaila
04-18-2015, 03:18 AM
One handers with dex:
/tell Savager Savager -vs- Combat Dummy Fana: -- DMG: 280190691 -- DPS: 21535 -- Scaled: 21535 -- Punch: 167182680 -- Crush: 109045514 -- DirDmg: 3962497 -- Non-crit rate: 74.2% -- crit rate: 25.8% -- Attempts: 123181 -- Hits: 102051 -- Missed: 21130 -- Accuracy: 82.8% -- Avg Hit: 2745 -- Max hit: 6079 -- DMG to PC: 0

One handers with str:
/tell Savager Savager -vs- Combat Dummy Fana: -- DMG: 146536559 -- DPS: 21546 -- Scaled: 21546 -- Punch: 87754363 -- Crush: 56680509 -- DirDmg: 2101687 -- Non-crit rate: 74.8% -- crit rate: 25.2% -- Attempts: 64488 -- Hits: 53471 -- Missed: 11017 -- Accuracy: 82.9% -- Avg Hit: 2740 -- Max hit: 6090 -- DMG to PC: 0

2hander with dex:
/tell Savager Savager -vs- Combat Dummy Fana: -- DMG: 158074824 -- DPS: 23100 -- Scaled: 23100 -- Crush: 155913617 -- DirDmg: 2161207 -- Non-crit rate: 75.1% -- crit rate: 24.9% -- Attempts: 35097 -- Hits: 29112 -- Missed: 5985 -- Accuracy: 82.9% -- Avg Hit: 5429 -- Max hit: 11837 -- DMG to PC: 0

2hander with str:
/tell Savager Savager -vs- Combat Dummy Fana: -- DMG: 157205459 -- DPS: 23118 -- Scaled: 23118 -- Crush: 155139919 -- DirDmg: 2065540 -- Non-crit rate: 75.5% -- crit rate: 24.5% -- Attempts: 34657 -- Hits: 28928 -- Missed: 5729 -- Accuracy: 83.5% -- Avg Hit: 5434 -- Max hit: 11848 -- DMG to PC: 0

Yes it was heroic STR switched out for heroic DEX.
I used the h2h, Pugnoriu in the mainhand and Vifensa (the blunt) in the offhand.

I did some quick and dirty calculations using this data, since the cleave stacking via cultural should be a flat rate added on per hit we should be able to calculate the increase. We just need to know the Original Total Damage (OTD), the number of hits in the parse, the Original DPS (ODPS), the length of the parse, and the amount of additional damage that we would be adding with the extra cleave augs (+252 as mentioned in another post).

My method simply involved taking the OTD, ODPS, and the number of hits from the quoted post. I calculated the length of the parses in the quoted post by taking OTD/ODPS to get the lengths in seconds. Then I took 252 * the number of hits to get the amount of damage that would be added to the hits due to the extra cleave; which was then added to the OTD to get the Calculated Total Damage (CTD). The CTD was then divided by the lengths of the various parses to get the CDPS.

So here are what I would expect the 1hers vs 2hb parses to resemble:


1h dex -- 280190691 dmg -- 13011 sec -- 102051 hits -- +252Cleave = 25716852 dmg -- CTD = 305907543 dmg -- CDPS = 23511 dps (1h dex)


1h str - - 146536559 dmg -- - 6801 sec --- 53471 hits -- +252Cleave = 13474692 dmg -- CTD = 160011251 dmg -- CDPS = 23528 dps (1h str)


2h dex -- 158074824 dmg --- 6843 sec -- - 29112 hits -- +252Cleave == 7336224 dmg -- CTD = 165411048 dmg -- CDPS = 24172 dps (2h dex)


2h str --- 157205459 dmg --- 6800 sec -- - 28928 hits -- +252Cleave == 7289856 dmg -- CTD = 164495315 dmg -- CDPS = 24190 dps (2h str)

Phreaky
04-21-2015, 10:55 AM
Nicely done!

So the 1hders do indeed get more from it as expected but it's not enough to overtake the 2hb advantage. Perhaps under a HH effect that could change but we're really splitting hairs at this point.

Thanks!

Aggememnon
04-21-2015, 12:42 PM
correct me if i am wrong, but the 1hb parse was with 1hb in primary, and h2h in secondary. Right? Would the inferior ratio cotf 1hb(flamewind; 6.94) parse better than TDS h2h (Pugnoriu; 7.5)?