Does Final Fantasy Ten (FFX) Suck?

Does Final Fantasy Ten (FFX) Suck?


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[The Yanger]

not as sucky as 7 and 8, but not as good as 4 5 6 or 9.




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i heard it is the epitome of roxx0r



but i dont have a ps2 so i wouldnt know <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)">


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not hardly. FF9 and the old ones are still the best, but 10 is good.


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Well I have my likes and dislikes about FFX. For the first FF on the PS2, the game is absolutely gorgeous. Looks great on my 27" Trinitron TV, and sounds even better on my sony 5.1 system <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif ALT=":D"> Also, its the first FF game that has nearly full voice acting. Almost every line in the game is voice acted except for minor parts from random NPCs. Also the advancement system is quite novel and interesting, allowing you pretty broad control on how you want your character to level up.



Now what I don't like. The game has been dumbed down, A LOT. There's a map on the screen that literally has a big red arrow telling you where to go. There is no overworld map, or at least not one you can explore freely (the endgame airship you control by selecting a location, and you appear there). Also, weapons and armor don't have near as big an effect on your attack and defense as in prior FF games. Instead it'll have effects on it like HP+5% or silence ward or something. So you end up having tons of weapons and pieces of armor and not really knowing which one is better to use. Oh, and the final boss is way too easy. With about 200,000 hp, he can be killed with 2 or 3 aeon overdrives, especially if you have the magus sisters and anima.



Despite all that, I think its still a great game, and some of the best that the PS2 has to offer. A definite must have. I'm playing through it again trying to get all the Al-Bhed binders I missed, and the character epics.


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I haven't played 9 or 10 but imo 7 is the best.


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How on gods green earth can you call FF7 sucky, yang?



FF7 was one of the best and I'm sure many would agree


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only people who like 7 are bandwagoneers, IE the people who DIDNT play FF games until they were 'cool' when 7 came out.

Don't try and say you aren't all of you either, because FF7 sold like 10 times as many copies as previous FF's even had printed here in the US.

FF7 SUCKS.


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ff7 doesnt suck yang...but its definately not as good as 6...i lub six...mmm setzer with loaded dice and X-attack...ahaha



i just picked up a used PSX and got ff9, and so far im loving it...just got to where Dagger talks to her uncle and stuff...not really tha far into it tho...the knight is super powerful with that magic sword attack...and i like the limit break/trance system


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I must have played through at least half or more of 10... just kinda petered out and lost interest, maybe i will finish it someday. That time away from EQ is rough =P


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yes, FF7 SUCKS. the story is moronic, makes little sense the first time through (which is the only chance they get to tell the story to most gamers), the battle system is boring AND broken, the translation sucks ass, etc etc etc.

i mean FF1 has a better story than FF7, seriously.

FF9 I like alot. Yes, Steiner is very good, I don't like having 8 very good characters though, it makes it too hard to choose 4 to stick in your party =)


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That it does...that was my main problem with ff6...i liked about 2 groups worth of chars a LOT...but at least im at a point in ff9 where i have only 4 people...and that Qu uh...thing...kinda strange...how do i get the blue magic? using her eat command?


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[The Yanger]

if you eat something when it has 1/8th of it's HP or less, it dies and you learn blue magic from it. when quina trances you can use cook instead to get it at 1/4th hp. in other words, quina's trance is COMPLETELY worthless.


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Yeah i found that out when i fought beatrix...oh well



at least Quina with the needle fork hits pretty hard


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[The Yanger]

nobody makes you use quina anyway =p although it has some pretty good blue magic available if you learn them all.

Still, best off just using the generic party most of the time (zidane, vivi, steiner, garnet)


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Yeah, if i were at a point where i could use just those 4 i would...but i can live with what ive got now



i kinda wish that you learned abilities faster...is there any place whee you can get like 10 ap per kill like on the mob on the triangle island in ff6 in the world of ruin?


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[The Yanger]

not as far as I know, the most is 3 or 4 other than bosses, but I mean when you've got ability up it doubles your AP gain, so most skills really dont take very long to learn.

I easily had every skill for every character before disc 4 without too much in the way of 'leveling up'

The only ones that take noticeable chunks of time are skills that are 100+


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bah...i could hope



whats this ability that doubles your AP gain?


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[The Yanger]

Ability Up. the first one that gets it is dagger I believe. I honestly wouldn't recommend trying to learn abilities with people until you get it. 1-2 ap at a time is infinitely worse than 4-6.


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yeah =/



it sucks, right now i have an iron sword with steiner, and it has one of his swordart skills (are they similar to cyans swdtech? as in you have to wait for it to load to get the better ones?) but i can also use a mythril sword and it gives a different one and i dont know if i want to stop learning the first <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)">


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FFX was above average, it beat the crap out of VIII. I agree with the Yanger, people who like FFVII are pretty much like people who say they like the Lakers or the Avalanche. But since FFIV and FFVI were the first two that i played, I'd have to say they were the best, but the SNES versions not the remakes for the PS1. Celes with Genji Glove, Offering, Atma Weapon, and the Scimitar just pwn all hell. Specially against Dinosaurs


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<blockquote>Quote:<hr> Celes with Genji Glove, Offering, Atma Weapon, and the Scimitar just pwn all hell. Specially against Dinosaurs<hr></blockquote>



Celes = sux0r <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/frown.gif ALT=":(">



its all about setzer + genji glove + offering + fixed dice + doom darts + backrow



he by himself could kill pretty much anything, including boss mobs


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[The Yanger]

or you could just use ultima with everyone, which is the inherant flaw with FF6's system =p

Sabin was the only cool one otherwise, bum rush =p


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ahahahaha

you could do rflect on everyone in your group then use something wit x-magic on it, cast ultima on your group and have it cast 8 times on the enemy =P





edit:at least you could with some magic...not sure about ultima


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why bother when all 4 characters are just casting ultima nonstop anyway? that's the stupidity of materia and espers =p


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Dunno...but i found in FFIX it doesnt work =/



tried using carbuncle and then fira'ing my group and it only rflected once <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/frown.gif ALT=":(">



needless to say I was devistated...with therapy, i still may never recover


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[Jurrai]

Heh, Ff6=amazing



Haven't played 10 yet..and I liked 7..



First I played was FF 2(aka 4) tho.



Btw, Fav char in ff6=Cyan, he rocked, heh.



EDIT: I can't believe I said rox0r (replaced with amazing). Ungh, procrastination is eatting away at my mind <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/frown.gif ALT=":(">


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it does more when you reflect it off of everyone. more damage anyway, or at least the cumulative damage I think. works alot better when you have Reflect x2 for vivi, makes reflected magic do double damage O_O


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I did try it off everyone...maybe ill try again...



btw, can you only switch characters when the game prompts you to, or was it just that way when you had only 5 chars...



Ug i wish groups were 5 chars instead of 4...a chick with a spear really does something for me =P



oh...also do you know what item will let steiner learn ability up? he is SO far behind in abilities and shit since you dont use him at all on the second disc =/ he cant wear the thing that chicks can wear to give it, nor can he wear the armor that gives it....damnit


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i think you get a few accessory slot items that people can learn it from. and steiner is WAY better than freya. and you almost never have more than 4 characters until the point where you can change freely.


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LoL, I started this post with the hope of getting maybe 5 replies =)



anyone know where I can buy the cheapest PS2 memory card currently on the market? ones at walmart were about 25 bucks I believe


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Ug....I still cant choose freely, yang...once I got armarant I could only change my group when it asked me if i wanted too



and once i got the ship I had to talk to cid to do it...i guess tahts as free as it gets =/



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yes thats as free as it gets, talking to someone on the ship/airship

And memory cards for ps2 are going to run you 25, thats all there is to it. The thing hold so much more data than PS1 memory cards that it's hardly anything to whine about...although I don't mind whining about developers too lazy to make smaller save games. Sometimes it feels just like a ps1 card when each game save is 700k =/


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Yanger, whyd u switch from your old Neon flashy sig? I think you should try some new ones out. =)


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it was too big, as someone pointed out. by about 10 pixels. I'm too lazy to make another sig recently.


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Yeah all of our sigs got nerfed when someone started yelling "hypocrasy!" or something along those lines.


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well i finally started playing ff9 again, just finished all the stupid sidequests (obviously not the excalibur 2) and now I'm unmotivated to go finish off the bosses =/


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Yang, i got a question...if you see this, help me!



I cant seem to get the last candle lit in the desert palace after cid frees the people from the jail (you know, after you sneak by the monster and use the scales? and then the part with he bloodstones) and i just dont know what im doing wrong and why i cant light the last candle just past the gargoyles...i mean, i got the stairs to appear and everything...





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The Nameless</p>Edited by: <A HREF=http://pub35.ezboard.com/uxenix1.showPublicProfile?language=EN>Xenix1</A> at: 8/21/02 11:52:30 am

I have played almost all of the final fantasy series and I liked 7. You can't call me a bandwagoneer for liking it either. I still love Final Fantasy Tactics.


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you guys i have had and played every final fantasy and by no ways did 7 suck...it certainly had some annoying parts (hell i still have nightmares of midgard) but it had a good story. who the hell couldnt have been surprised when aeris died? regardless the ending was week but being the first CG FF i was drooling over the graphics too much to care. i have loved them all especially 3 (6) though...10 was just more fun then the others they added a lot more humor and i seemed to enjoy it, wakka was hilarious. as for 9 it was fun but i speeded through it damn quick and 8 was a classic for me. most didnt like 8 either but i play more for story then anything so if you say you didnt like 8 oyu either just cant stand poor battle systems or your too naive to understand a good love story...


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Shh, don't tell anything about the Games, heh.



Btw, yeah final fantasy tactics rocked <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)">



Is anyone else content that Final Fantasy Games will be going to the Gamecube as well? All my friends have Ps2, perhaps I'll get a gamecube so we can play its games as well (be there less and several childish games <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/tongue.gif ALT=":p"> ). Now I can look foward to FF's on it as well <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)">


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I could care less if FF is on GC, it doesnt make it worth buying.

FF8 has a HORRIBLE story, i dunno what you're smoking. the battle system sucks but thats not what caused it to be the first RPG that I simply COULD NOT finish.

FF9 ruled, plain and simple.


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Heh, I think you're being too harsh on gamecube Yang <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/tongue.gif ALT=":p">



But yes ff8 was HORRIBLE, I was level 60ish on the first cd, and I simply said "Screw it", heh.


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Well. Having played all the Final Fantasy games I could get my hands on, including the second one for the NES (got that one as a ROM, was too dated though I'd probably have liked it back in the day) I have to say this. FF1 (for the freedom in the party creation process) is my favorite. I love the idea of having four black belts, or a red mage a white mage and two blacck mages, etc. instead of the traditional party. The other FF games all had the characters preset for a certain class, though they pretty much all become spellcasters from 4 through 8. 7 and 8 were the absolute worst FF games to date though (even worse than Final Fantasy Mystic Quest). Poor storyline, poor thought to character advancement (c'mon, though few would attempt it, you could have someone master 8 fire materia all at once, and then have some insane materia combo using fire 3; and in 8 all you had to do was hold out until the main guy was alone, just landing the air ship, and then power yourself up from solo, using nothing but the stat up abilities, then get everyone else, get the cactaur GF, then power everyone else up to level 100 using the stat up abilities, making the game WAY too easy), poor thought to the combat system (especially in 8 . . . level down anyone?) made for two games I regret spending the time on. X is a decent game, not quite as broken as 7 and 8 were characterwise but close . . . the only things going for it are the graphics, speech, and storyline. Once you reach the end oc X and have the air ship, it is super easy to power your characters up to insane degrees (even compared to the previous FF games) through development of some insane weaponry and armor. Most characters come very close to maxing out their stats (and need the break HP and MP barrier abilities to get the most hp and mp) when they complete the board, BTW. 9 had a pretty cool storyline (though at times I thought I was playing another PS game, Legend of Legaia, with all teh references to mist) and a decent character advancement system. Although I'm not a fan of learning skills and such from equipment (except maybe spellbooks to teach spells) the system works well. 6 (3 on the SNES) is my fourth favorite game (and was the third until I got my hands on a copy of 5) with the battle system and the diversity (at least, initially) of the characters. 5 had a REAL cool job system, though towards the end if you build up each character through each job they all look alike. Still, I thought this game better than 6, for the innovative storyline and the way the world changes as the story progresses. 4 (2 on the SNES) is my second favorite FF game; I love the sense of urgency that most of the game had (gotta stop Golbez from doing this before he brings an end to the world, gotta hurry and save Rosa from Kain and Golbez, etc.). 1 is my favorite though, simply because I love the freedom of classes you have. Sure, you have that freedom in 5 but its a different kind of freedom. In 1 you select the party and thats all you have, regardless of how you design the party. You have to start over if the party isn't what you expected. Imagine going through 6 with a party of 4 Sabin's, for example, who cannot learn spells.



One thing I tend to hate about the FF games, however, is the overall trend toward godhood. As the series progresses, your party tends to get even more and more powerful in the end game than in the previous one. Chaos wouldn't last against Cecil, for example; and the sorceress in 8 wouldn't stand a chance against a souped up party in X. Heck, get one person in X to complete the board, and only the optional bosses in the arena can withstand his attacks and come close to killing him. I built my FFX party up in the arena against the tonberry's I'd caught in the Omega Dungeon . . . that took a while, but believe me when I say that a FFX party fully maxed out is more powerful than anything you've seen in any previous FF game. Magimaster casting Ultima and dealing 9999 damage to everyone? Sorry, but the party I've got would laugh at a 9999 damage attack . . . and seeing Tidus deal in excess of 150000 damage with his last Blitz is insane. I only know of one game with a higher damage potential per round.



Anyone here ever play Valkyrie Profile? That game is the only game with the higher damage than FFX . . . Such as killing an enemy with 950000 hp in one round, or taking a couple rounds to take out a boss with 2300000 hp.


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I can't chime in with regards to FFX, since I have not played it yet, but I must disagree with you. Yes, FF8 was horrible for numerous reasons, and FF7 had its flaws as well, but I must say, I thoroughly enjoyed FF7. FF:Mystic Quest was horrible if I remember correctly, heh, and this flexability you speak of in FF1 (which I have not played <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/frown.gif ALT=":("> ) does, by the looks of your description, renascent once again in Final Fantasy Tactics, which is one of my Favorite FF's for that reason.



Though from alot of the feedback I've gotten, regardless of how "broken" FFX is I wanna play it <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif ALT=":D">


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The first 10 hours (cuz thats how long it took me to get out of the first town) of FF7 were enjoyable. Lots of plot. The rest was not really connected together all that well, IMO.



The original FF game is horribly dated by today's standards. Party of four, you select the classes to start, and level up with experience points. Unlike FFT or FF5 you do not get to decide upon abilities to learn, however. All levelling does is get you better stats and hp. Also, unlike other FF games (not sure about 2 and 3 on the NES) you have to buy your spells; there are a total of 64 spells in the game split evenly between white and black magic; your characters get to select 3 of 4 spells in a given spell rank. The game is my favorite because of the freedom in designing your party. If you've played FF5 or FFT before getting a copy of FF1 then you won't see it as being such freedom, however.



FFX isn't really broken, not that I saw, until the end of the game. And then only assuming you spent the time to get weapons with the Break Damage Barrier; otherwise you're stuck with doing 9999 damage each hit instead of 45000 damage in a hit. I think Tidus was doing something like 55000 damage per hit normally at the end; he was able to down the tonberries with ease after a while, and I had to work to cycle everyone through to get the AP.



And you're right, FFMQ was horrible. I just think that FF7 and 8 were worse.


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FF1 sucks because the combat is less than fun, and the story is lame. I have no problem with the classes.

FFT is nothing like FF1. FFT is based on the job system of FF5, which is completely different.

FF1, well check out 8 bit theater for that www.nuklearpower.com/comic

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imagine those characters, except once you pick 4 of them at the start of the game you can't change them. they change into an advanced class ONCE, but other than that.


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Final Fantasy 3/6 & 7... hands down



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