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Maereax
03-03-2008, 11:46 PM
I remember reading a post about one of the solteris 2 Handers that would out dps a 2.5 and brumals, or brumals and talons (dont remember which combo) Was it the one off event 1? or 4?

Kheibik
03-03-2008, 11:51 PM
I think it was the one off event 5? The Twisted Staff of Temporal Paradox.

netura
03-03-2008, 11:56 PM
I use orb of striking and have absolutely no complaints about its damage compared to 1x Solteris and 1x TSS level weapon.

And the monk staff from Irrissa is even better than orb. But incredibly rare for us. We have only had 1 of each 2hb drop, so if you want one, I recommend grabbing the first you see drop.

polkgaiimahn
03-04-2008, 01:33 AM
Sample of non instanced AG fights w/event 5 weap w/ 7 dmg aug:

http://www.mustangmods.com/ims/u/1479/2257/225988.png

Maybe I'll go back for a few hrs with Talons/Brumal but I'm pretty sure they average a lot lower. I don't raid on monk anymore so I don't care about burns!

sardonis
03-04-2008, 08:38 AM
I have this staff and knew it would be good dps, but wasn't sure how much it would out damage the 1h combo.

I parsed it out against an exterminator in Freeport (not the best parse mob, but it's what I had).

1h combo was brumals with 4 damage aug (46/20), and cudgel from AG with a 3 damage one (46/22). Staff had no damage augment (107/29).

No buffs whatsoever when I parsed, just worn haste (45%). All my damage AA were maxxed. No kicks or special attacks, and the insane resists of the exterminators negate any proc or elemental damage.

1h parsed at 680 dps, staff parsed at 750dps. I'd imagine with buffs the gap would only widen.

My guess is that you would need to dual wield augged balls of sunlight to beat the staff but somebody who does more parsing might have a better idea

Maereax
03-04-2008, 11:02 AM
Ah... well the event 1 2HB dropped last night, but I didn't go in on it because I wasn't sure if it would be better or not, but ty for the info.

Othanic
03-04-2008, 11:27 AM
They are not talking about the event 1 2-hander.

I would be very suprised if it outdamaged a dual-wielding TSS level weapons, and even moresoe if it outdamaged dualwielding TBS level weapons.

I did not, however, realize that the staff of temporal paradox would be that good - may reconsider it, because my anguish staff is certainly showing its age!

Souljahha
03-04-2008, 11:31 AM
we haven't seen any drop yet in 8-10+ kills :( Solteris really hasn't been good to our monks. to date 2 talons 1 belt

wycca
03-04-2008, 02:38 PM
Jesus, everyone and their twink almost got this staff for us.

It got several boosts, so yea, it's a damn good weapon. I really can't remember how it parses vs. dual Balls, but it was a bit under. Of course, that may have been before all the AA were in - I really can't recall.

Regardless, its a damn good weapon, and I'd probably pick it up rather than waiting on 2x balls, or even 1x ball + event 6 hammer (which is what you'd need to be a bit above it).

Sadly, due to likely new itemization (and definitely crystallos itemization), we will probably never see a monk focused 2hb again - so you'll likely never see anything with that good of a ratio vs the 1handers. You're just going to get generic 2handers, which while not bad (I got Merloc to bump up their ratios across the board by alot), they are not comparable IMO.

Ughbash
03-04-2008, 03:11 PM
Sadly, due to likely new itemization (and definitely crystallos itemization), we will probably never see a monk focused 2hb again - so you'll likely never see anything with that good of a ratio vs the 1handers. You're just going to get generic 2handers, which while not bad (I got Merloc to bump up their ratios across the board by alot), they are not comparable IMO.

Then why if we are not going to get comparable 2hb, do they keep giving us 2hb AA *grumble*

Right Hand (Merloc): Hey Left hand, what you doing?
Left Hand (Nodyin): I'm not telling.

Souljahha
03-04-2008, 09:30 PM
I think they are afraid that we might make the zerkers look bad.

Notice many of the 2hb are under 36 delay which means no ldon 5 dmg aug for us since others often got the 7 dmg one for tss over us.

I still parse at the top using vish 2h with no dmg aug in the couple fights i use it, but i would definately like an upgrade.

polkgaiimahn
03-04-2008, 09:36 PM
Synarcana raid drops 4 dmg +1 aug.

Pliko
03-05-2008, 01:29 AM
I have this weapon. Auged it should be pretty much on bar with a sunball + talons.... I can't say for sure though.

I parse almost identically to my friend with Sunball +4dmg auged / 2.5+3dmg aug and I have 0 dmg aug in it, so read into that what you will.

wycca
03-05-2008, 07:35 AM
I think they are afraid that we might make the zerkers look bad.



For the record, a zerker would need fine steel to look bad vs. us with a 2h~


Oh, and the delays are pretty much what we thought was the sweet point for a monk in regards to delay/dmg bonus/etc. There was no real consideration by anyone in regards to the delay limits.

Souljahha
03-07-2008, 02:31 PM
Guess we did have 1 drop while I was on vacation and it went to a bst... go figure.

I see no good reason a monk shouldn't be able to compete with zerker dps while using 2hb. We just out dps zerkers more often because they do 0 dps at bind.

Shukkex
03-08-2008, 11:40 AM
zerker dps is insane... that is all~

nduma
03-08-2008, 12:22 PM
Fabled Fiery Staff of Zha
DMG: 112 Dmg Delay: 34
Bonus: 58 AC: 93
Magic DMG: 1
STR: +18+2 DEX: +20+2 STA: +20+2 WIS: +25 HP: +465 MANA: +465 ENDUR: +465
SV DISEASE: +29 SV COLD: +37 SV MAGIC: +29
Combat Effects: +3 Shielding: +2% Spell Shield: +1% Avoidance: +3 Accuracy: +4 Stun Resist: +1% DoT Shielding: +1% Attack: +15 HP Regen: +4 Mana Regeneration: +3 Damage Shield: +3
Required level of 75.
Effect: Flame of the Efreeti (Combat, Casting Time: Instant)
WT: 2.5 Size: SMALL
Class: MNK BST

Not as good but, can't be that far off.

silenzhandz
03-08-2008, 04:03 PM
I can't see a delay on that.

Archus
03-08-2008, 06:30 PM
Fabled Fiery Staff is 112/34 per Lucy. Got a very nice upgrade since I first saw it 2 days ago. Was like 78/34 or something unimpressive like that.

Souljahha
03-08-2008, 09:21 PM
zerker dps is insane... that is all~


Yes it is, if they live long enough. I drag more zerkers than any other class--getting very old. Seriously they going to make ranger rep look good.

Jerone
03-09-2008, 04:48 AM
A bad berk is at bind most of the time, a good one isn't.

A bad berk does super DPS, a good one does super ADPS.

Its a skill thing :~

Roatus
03-09-2008, 06:36 AM
I got Temporal Staff yesterday so just did quick parse against grey con mob.
Don't point out the low DPS. I dropped all buffs intentionally not to kill the target.
What I wanted to test was comparison between HtH and 2HB, not pure DPS.
Proc damages are not counted.


--------------------------------------------------------
[HtH]
Talon + Blood Drinker's Fragment on main hand (=50+2/21)
Brumal + Eye of Lycantrope on off hand (=45+1/20)

Result:705DPS
--------------------------------------------------------
[2HB]
Twisted Staff of Temporal Paradox, no dmg aug on it (=107+1/29)

Result:646DPS(*)

*Assuming I had 2H dmg aug from AG, it should be around 688DPS
--------------------------------------------------------


*Edit*
Played with Vish stick(91+1/35) for preference. 525DPS under same situation.

Pliko
03-09-2008, 06:49 AM
Here are my results I took out all proc damage. I was completely unbuffed 45% worn haste, Fero7 Cleave 7 Max offensive AA


[H2H]
Brumals + Mossy tundra stone primary

Epic 2.0 +1dmg aug secondary

669 dps

[2hb]

Twisted staff of temporal Paradox, no augs no PS

727 dps

Maereax
03-09-2008, 01:14 PM
How big of a dps difference is there between beltron 2HB and event 5 2HB?

netura
03-09-2008, 01:56 PM
It's a fairly significant difference, for sure.

Maereax
03-09-2008, 01:58 PM
Well, we farming beltron atm, and working on beating solteris event 2, so going to be a few weeks atleast untill we get event 5 down, was thinking about picking up beltron 2hb, but if its not a dps increase I'll just wait.

polkgaiimahn
03-09-2008, 06:48 PM
If you're considering Beltron's 2hb, you might as well wait for fabled Zha.

Impsi
03-10-2008, 12:13 AM
A bad berk is at bind most of the time, a good one isn't.

A bad berk does super DPS, a good one does super ADPS.

Its a skill thing :~

ADPS is a flawed concept. You got DPS< and you got TOtal damage. That's all. :biggrin:

Archus
03-16-2008, 11:38 AM
They nerfed the Fabled Fiery Staff. Its 102/34 now, and as of now Fabled REBB is still 103/34. They upped the stats, however.

http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=76177 - Fabled Fiery Staff

http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=76168 - Fabled REBB

Nedrom
03-16-2008, 02:34 PM
Well, we farming beltron atm, and working on beating solteris event 2, so going to be a few weeks atleast untill we get event 5 down, was thinking about picking up beltron 2hb, but if its not a dps increase I'll just wait.

dont waste your time on beltron 2hb

and i just heard that reparm is hitting for 10k~ lol

Sunchyne
03-16-2008, 11:10 PM
Yeah, he can get up that high, but all in all its an easy fight. We took about 30 and 2 clerics, 1 bot cleric, 3 druids, and a couple shaman and it was really overkill. Could have probably done it with less. We cleared every mini in fire with that, and a little less towards the end. Some ok stuff dropped, all around 465 HP or so, decent mods, upgraded focus. Most of the time it was 3x one item or 2x one item and another different one. Nice 505 HP earring dropped from one of the phoenixes, bout all I saw that caught my eye. Did pick up my Zha staff though, its not bad.

Pliko
03-17-2008, 07:46 AM
Last i looked Im pretty sure event 1 cryptwood truncheon is basically on par with beltrons hammer... if your not able to wait until event 5 or it starts rotting, that is an option